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As you probably know nowadays most of Hawaiians are mixed and it is not easy to find pure-blooded Native Hawaiians.
I have three samples of pure-blooded Native Hawaiians in Eurogenes K36 (you can also generate their simulated G25):
Code: Hawaiian1,0.25,0,0,0,0,0,0,9.89,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,8.39,0,43.03,0,0,0,0,0,0,23.30,0,0,0,0,0,15.14,0,0,0,0
Hawaiian2,0.06,0,0,0,0,0,0,8.54,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,9.62,0,42.39,0,0,0,0,0,0,24.67,0,0,0,0,0,14.72,0,0,0,0
Hawaiian3,0.53,0,0,0,0,0,0,8.11,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,5.73,0,47.22,0,0,0,0,0,0,20.49,0,0,0,0,0,17.91,0,0,0,0
Average of 3 samples:
Code: US_Native_Hawaiian(n=3),0.28,0,0,0,0,0,0,8.85,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,7.91,0,44.21,0,0,0,0,0,0,22.82,0,0,0,0,0,15.92,0,0,0,0
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(06-07-2024, 09:25 PM)Tomenable Wrote: As you probably know nowadays most of Hawaiians are mixed and it is not easy to find pure-blooded Native Hawaiians.
I have three samples of pure-blooded Native Hawaiians in Eurogenes K36 (you can also generate their simulated G25):
Code: Hawaiian1,0.25,0,0,0,0,0,0,9.89,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,8.39,0,43.03,0,0,0,0,0,0,23.30,0,0,0,0,0,15.14,0,0,0,0
Hawaiian2,0.06,0,0,0,0,0,0,8.54,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,9.62,0,42.39,0,0,0,0,0,0,24.67,0,0,0,0,0,14.72,0,0,0,0
Hawaiian3,0.53,0,0,0,0,0,0,8.11,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,5.73,0,47.22,0,0,0,0,0,0,20.49,0,0,0,0,0,17.91,0,0,0,0
Average of 3 samples:
Code: US_Native_Hawaiian(n=3),0.28,0,0,0,0,0,0,8.85,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,7.91,0,44.21,0,0,0,0,0,0,22.82,0,0,0,0,0,15.92,0,0,0,0
Real G25 Hawaiian (I think):
Code: Hawaiian,-0.003415,-0.414336,-0.053928,-0.045543,0.140642,0.029562,-0.00517,-0.011076,-0.022498,-0.020957,0.040272,0.003597,-0.005798,0.001239,0.012758,0.013657,0.000261,0.011022,0.005531,-0.007379,0.000125,-0.026585,-0.003944,-0.003615,-0.058677
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(06-07-2024, 09:54 PM)ph2ter Wrote: Real G25 Hawaiian (I think):
Code: Hawaiian,-0.003415,-0.414336,-0.053928,-0.045543,0.140642,0.029562,-0.00517,-0.011076,-0.022498,-0.020957,0.040272,0.003597,-0.005798,0.001239,0.012758,0.013657,0.000261,0.011022,0.005531,-0.007379,0.000125,-0.026585,-0.003944,-0.003615,-0.058677
It is actually a Filipino living in Hawaii. I have raised this issue with some scientists already but they still haven't deleted this sample.
Check this comparison, this D. Reich's Hawaiian sample has a level of "Oceanian" admixture typical for Filipinos, not for Polynesians:
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K36 distances for this academic "Hawaiian" from David Reich's dataset:
[1] "1. CLOSEST SINGLE ITEM DISTANCE%"
Asia_PH_Luzon
0.6300032
Asia_PH_Philippines:Avg
0.6429603
Asia_PH_Cordillera-Region:Igorot
0.7056373
Asia_PH_Ilocos-Region:Ilocano
0.7553132
Asia_PH_Mountain-Province:Kankanaey
0.8025061
Asia_PH_Manila:Tagalog
1.0112285
Asia_PH_Mindanao:EGDP
1.1453035
Asia_TW_Taiwan:AboKarafet
1.2091522
Asia_TW_Yilan-County:Hanben
1.2303313
Asia_PH_Eastern-Visayas:Vizaya
1.2586099
(...)
For comparison K36 closest distances for my Native Hawaiian average:
[1] "1. CLOSEST SINGLE ITEM DISTANCE%"
America_US_Hawaii:Polynesian
0.0000000
Oceania_PF_Tahiti
0.3401397
Oceania_NZ_New-Zealand:Maori
0.3564604
Oceania_CK_Cook-Islands
0.5033736
Oceania_PF_Raiatea
0.5595802
Oceania_ASM_American-Samoa
0.6553655
Oceania_TON_Tonga
0.6808539
Oceania_WS_Samoa
0.7029964
Oceania_FM_Senyavin-Islands
0.7037720
Oceania_FM_Micronesia:Avg
0.7628683
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- Distance to: Hawaiian
0.02986671 Vizayan
0.03753829 Non-Kankanaey
0.04181129 Luzon
0.05248870 Mandar
0.05330066 Nias_Hilitobara
0.05417994 Mentawai
0.05433819 Nias_Gomo
0.05534208 Dusun_Brunei
0.05657766 Atayal
0.05713021 Guam
Target: Hawaiian
Distance: 1.2929% / 0.01292851 | ADC: 0.25x RC
30.6 Atayal
24.2 Guam
18.6 Polynesia
15.2 Igorot_Kankanaey
6.4 Samoan
2.8 Vizayan
1.4 Sotho
0.8 Ju_hoan_North
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(06-07-2024, 10:20 PM)ph2ter Wrote: - Distance to: Hawaiian
0.02986671 Vizayan
0.03753829 Non-Kankanaey
0.04181129 Luzon
0.05248870 Mandar
0.05330066 Nias_Hilitobara
0.05417994 Mentawai
0.05433819 Nias_Gomo
0.05534208 Dusun_Brunei
0.05657766 Atayal
0.05713021 Guam
Target: Hawaiian
Distance: 1.2929% / 0.01292851 | ADC: 0.25x RC
30.6 Atayal
24.2 Guam
18.6 Polynesia
15.2 Igorot_Kankanaey
6.4 Samoan
2.8 Vizayan
1.4 Sotho
0.8 Ju_hoan_North
Exactly - this is a Filipino sample, not Native Hawaiian, or at least not fully Native Hawaiian.
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Your simulated G25:
Target: US_Native_Hawaiian(n=3)
Distance: 1.1527% / 0.01152711 | ADC: 0.25x RC
39.8 Kambera_Wunga
20.2 Tonga
19.8 Kambera_Rindi
10.6 Naga
9.0 Bajo
0.6 Kaiabi
Distance to: US_Native_Hawaiian(n=3)
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0.03549377 Bajo
0.03655539 Kambera_Rindi
0.03859890 Anakalangu
0.04304448 Tahiti
0.04573893 Manggarai_Rampasasa
0.04813029 Samoan
0.04858016 Tonga
0.04981391 Polynesia
0.05607147 Maori
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What if you run it without ADC but with R5P?
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Distance: 0.8444% / 0.00844404 | R5P
57.4 Nias_Hilitobara
20.0 Koinanbe
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(06-07-2024, 10:31 PM)ph2ter Wrote: Target: US_Native_Hawaiian(n=3)
Distance: 0.8444% / 0.00844404 | R5P
57.4 Nias_Hilitobara
20.0 Koinanbe
14.0 Dong_Hunan
4.4 Juang
4.2 Mizo
Looks better now. Nias Hilitobara is some ethnic group from Sumatra it seems.
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(06-07-2024, 10:20 PM)ph2ter Wrote: - Distance to: Hawaiian
0.02986671 Vizayan
0.03753829 Non-Kankanaey
0.04181129 Luzon
0.05248870 Mandar
0.05330066 Nias_Hilitobara
0.05417994 Mentawai
0.05433819 Nias_Gomo
0.05534208 Dusun_Brunei
0.05657766 Atayal
0.05713021 Guam
Target: Hawaiian
Distance: 1.2929% / 0.01292851 | ADC: 0.25x RC
30.6 Atayal
24.2 Guam
18.6 Polynesia
15.2 Igorot_Kankanaey
6.4 Samoan
2.8 Vizayan
1.4 Sotho
0.8 Ju_hoan_North My Filipino+[Converso?] father-in-law:
wide open:
Target: Dewsloth_FIL_scaled
Distance: 0.8621% / 0.00862072
19.6 Luzon
19.0 Igorot
9.0 Dusun
8.4 Han_Sichuan
7.4 Han_Chongqing
6.8 Hmong
5.2 Hawaiian
5.0 Spanish_Soria
3.2 Sardinian
3.0 Bosnian
3.0 Italian_Liguria
2.6 Aeta
2.0 Spanish_Aragon
2.0 Sudan_Arab_Rashaayda
1.2 Gadaba
1.0 Berber_Tunisia_Chen
0.8 French_South
0.6 Spanish_Murcia
0.2 Bolivian_Pando
Target: Dewsloth_FIL_scaled
Distance: 1.3904% / 0.01390393 | ADC: 0.25x RC
45.0 Luzon
15.4 Atayal
14.8 Dongxiang
13.6 Sardinian
8.0 Maori
3.2 Thai
Target: Dewsloth_FIL_scaled
Distance: 1.0089% / 0.01008911 | R5P
51.8 Luzon
17.4 Han_Sichuan
17.4 Italian_Liguria
10.2 Hawaiian
3.2 Sardinian
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^^^ These two alleged "Botocudos from Brazil" are in fact a Maori and a Moriori from New Zealand.
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(06-08-2024, 02:24 PM)Tomenable Wrote: ^^^ These two alleged "Botocudos from Brazil" are in fact a Maori and a Moriori from New Zealand.
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