Ancient (aDNA) Samples in YFull

[Dewsloth]

Not really ancient so much as historic, but if I'm not wrong, Yfull seems to be saying that the Russian (via Scottish?) poet, Mikhail Lermontov, is a DF19>Z302 member. Where there is usually a kit number or academic paper ID, this kit simply says "Lermontov":

https://www.yfull.com/tree/R-Z39898/

You don't see a ton of Russian DF19s (maybe Viking or Volga German) but apparently his paternal line is Scottish:

Mikhail Yuryevich Lermontov was born in Moscow into the Lermontov family, and he grew up in the village of Tarkhany (now Lermontovo in Penza Oblast).[2] His paternal family descended from the Scottish family of Learmonth, and can be traced to Yuri (George) Learmonth, a Scottish officer in the Polish–Lithuanian service who settled in Russia in the middle of the 17th century.[3][4][5] He had been captured by the Russian troops in Poland in the early 17th century, during the reign (1613–1645) of Mikhail Fyodorovich Romanov.[2] Family legend asserted that George Learmonth descended from the famed 13th-century Scottish poet Thomas the Rhymer (also known as Thomas Learmonth).[2]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mikhail_Lermontov

I don't know if there is a paper or report mentioning this?

[Rozenfeld]

Not really ancient so much as historic, but if I'm not wrong, Yfull seems to be saying that the Russian (via Scottish?) poet, Mikhail Lermontov, is a DF19>Z302 member.  Where there is usually a kit number or academic paper ID, this kit simply says "Lermontov":

https://www.yfull.com/tree/R-Z39898/

You don't see a ton of Russian DF19s (maybe Viking or Volga German) but apparently his paternal line is Scottish:

Mikhail Yuryevich Lermontov was born in Moscow into the Lermontov family, and he grew up in the village of Tarkhany (now Lermontovo in Penza Oblast).[2] His paternal family descended from the Scottish family of Learmonth, and can be traced to Yuri (George) Learmonth, a Scottish officer in the Polish–Lithuanian service who settled in Russia in the middle of the 17th century.[3][4][5] He had been captured by the Russian troops in Poland in the early 17th century, during the reign (1613–1645) of Mikhail Fyodorovich Romanov.[2] Family legend asserted that George Learmonth descended from the famed 13th-century Scottish poet Thomas the Rhymer (also known as Thomas Learmonth).[2]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mikhail_Lermontov

I don't know if there is a paper or report mentioning this?

There is a whole thread about it on molgen: https://forum.molgen.org/index.php/topic,12061.0.html

Some details of the story are available here in English:

https://www.academia.edu/104593798/Genet..._Lermontov

Genetic genealogy of paternal lineage of Russian Romantic writer and poet Mikhail Lermontov 

Akper Aliev

Abstract 

15 Y-STR loci (“Oxford ancestors” laboratory NIST SRM 2395 format) of Mikhail Lermontov, Russian noble family representative of the Russian noble family of Scottish origin, were converted to the FTDNA format. Its complete coincidence with the haplotypes of the Scottish clans McLemore and Laurie was revealed. It has been suggested that all these dynasties traced to French warrior Leure of 11 th century. Key words: haplotype, Lermontov, clan, Y-DNA, McLemore, Laurie, Leure

[Dewsloth]

Not really ancient so much as historic, but if I'm not wrong, Yfull seems to be saying that the Russian (via Scottish?) poet, Mikhail Lermontov, is a DF19>Z302 member.  Where there is usually a kit number or academic paper ID, this kit simply says "Lermontov":

https://www.yfull.com/tree/R-Z39898/

You don't see a ton of Russian DF19s (maybe Viking or Volga German) but apparently his paternal line is Scottish:

Mikhail Yuryevich Lermontov was born in Moscow into the Lermontov family, and he grew up in the village of Tarkhany (now Lermontovo in Penza Oblast).[2] His paternal family descended from the Scottish family of Learmonth, and can be traced to Yuri (George) Learmonth, a Scottish officer in the Polish–Lithuanian service who settled in Russia in the middle of the 17th century.[3][4][5] He had been captured by the Russian troops in Poland in the early 17th century, during the reign (1613–1645) of Mikhail Fyodorovich Romanov.[2] Family legend asserted that George Learmonth descended from the famed 13th-century Scottish poet Thomas the Rhymer (also known as Thomas Learmonth).[2]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mikhail_Lermontov

I don't know if there is a paper or report mentioning this?

There is a whole thread about it on molgen: https://forum.molgen.org/index.php/topic,12061.0.html

Some details of the story are available here in English:

https://www.academia.edu/104593798/Genet..._Lermontov

Genetic genealogy of paternal lineage of Russian Romantic writer and poet Mikhail Lermontov 

Akper Aliev

Abstract 

15 Y-STR loci (“Oxford ancestors” laboratory NIST SRM 2395 format) of Mikhail Lermontov, Russian noble family representative of the Russian noble family of Scottish origin, were converted to the FTDNA format. Its complete coincidence with the haplotypes of the Scottish clans McLemore and Laurie was revealed. It has been suggested that all these dynasties traced to French warrior Leure of 11 th century. Key words: haplotype, Lermontov, clan, Y-DNA, McLemore, Laurie, Leure

Thank you!  I would have never found the Molgen thread.  So they confirm he's on the Nesbitt/Nisbet Scottish line of DF19>Z302, and they have already asked FTDNA to add him to notables:

Detailed View: R-FT28743
Scotland 6 66.67%
Ireland 2 22.22%
England 1 11.11%
Unknown Origin  1 **
Total 10
100.00%

[Farroukh]

Yfull seems to be saying that the Russian (via Scottish?) poet, Mikhail Lermontov, is a DF19>Z302 member.

That is right. Lermontov paternally traced to George Learmonth.
His most recent common ancestor with Nesbit of that ilk labeled as R-FT28743 with TMRCA ~1200 AD:



In few weeks you will see him at FTDNA's "Notable Connections" section.

[alchemist223]

YFull has added one sample from the paper Population Genomics of Stone Age Eurasia by Allentoft et al.

Sample: NEO538, 300 BCE, Y-DNA: N-SK1485*, mtDNA: U5a1d2b1b

Another sample from this paper has been added to YFull:

Sample: NEO281, 7773 BCE, Y-DNA: J-Z533*, mtDNA: H13c* (shared with sample KK1, also from Mesolithic Georgia).

YFull has added a bunch of additional samples from this paper:

Sample: NEO791, 5083 BCE, Y-DNA: I-Y6679* (shared with sample NEO568 from this paper), mtDNA: U5b
Sample: NEO568, 4347 BCE, Y-DNA: I-Y6679* (shared with sample NEO791 from this paper), mtDNA: U5b1m (shared with sample MT588293.1)
Sample: NEO759, 7090 BCE, Y-DNA: I-Y38066*, mtDNA: U5b2a-a
Sample: NEO943, 2666 BCE, Y-DNA: I-Y3670* (shared with sample VERT028), mtDNA: H53*
Sample: NEO19, 6222 BCE, Y-DNA: I-CTS10057*, mtDNA: U5a2b* (shared with samples I18220, R1, and KX977316.1)
Sample: NEO855, 4348 BCE, Y-DNA: I-Y5606*, mtDNA: U5b1b1-b
Sample: NEO739, 2021 BCE, Y-DNA: I-Z170, mtDNA: N1a1a1a1
Sample: NEO738, 2161 BCE, Y-DNA: I-Z170*, mtDNA: J1c3g* (shared with samples VPBper483, MF498664.1, MH043584.1, and MF498689.1)
Sample: NEO91, 7315-7052 BCE, Y-DNA: I-V6473 (shared with samples NEO749, NEO589, and NEO587 from this paper, as well as STG001, Loschbour, and KGH6), mtDNA: K1e*
Sample: NEO589, 5525 BCE, Y-DNA: I-V6473 (shared with samples NEO91, NEO749, and NEO587 from this paper, as well as STG001, Loschbour, and KGH6), mtDNA: U5a2b
Sample: NEO587, 5427 BCE, Y-DNA: I-V6473 (shared with samples NEO91, NEO749, and NEO589 from this paper, as well as STG001, Loschbour, and KGH6), mtDNA: U5b
Sample: NEO749, 5121 BCE, Y-DNA: I-V6473 (shared with samples NEO91, NEO589, and NEO587 from this paper, as well as STG001, Loschbour, and KGH6), mtDNA: U5b1d*
Sample: NEO935, 3297 BCE, Y-DNA: I-Y14619* (shared with samples NEO898 and NEO23 from this paper, as well as vbj018), mtDNA: H
Sample: NEO898, 3131 BCE, Y-DNA: I-Y14619* (shared with samples NEO935 and NEO23 from this paper, as well as vbj018), mtDNA: K1a3
Sample: NEO23, 3585 BCE, Y-DNA: I-Y14619* (shared with samples NEO935 and NEO898 from this paper, as well as vbj018), mtDNA: U5b1b2
Sample: NEO70, 801 BCE, Y-DNA: N-Y147969 (shared with samples HRR579041 and DA247), mtDNA: F1b1*

[alchemist223]

YFull has also added a sample from the paper Life history and ancestry of the late Upper Palaeolithic infant from Grotta delle Mura, Italy by Higgins et al.

Sample: Mura_1, 15,370-14,960 BCE, Y-DNA: I-L158*, mtDNA: U2'3'4'7'8'9a (shared with samples MW209010.1, also from late Pleistocene Italy, and KU534957.1)

[alchemist223]

Samples from the paper North Pontic crossroads: Mobility in Ukraine from the Bronze Age to the early modern period by Saag et al. have now been uploaded to YFull.

Sample: UKR017, 1400-1500 CE, Y-DNA: C-Y4633* (shared with sample ERS2374307), mtDNA: C4a1a4a5*
Sample: UKR020, 1400-1500 CE, Y-DNA: J-FGC4309, mtDNA: M7b1a1a1
Sample: UKR116, 775-516 BCE, Y-DNA: R-Z280, mtDNA: U2e1f1a1* (shared with sample I17264)
Sample: UKR133, 500-300 BCE, Y-DNA: R-FT91192*, mtDNA: T1b* (shared with sample ART042)
Sample: UKR021, 1400-1500 CE, mtDNA: C4a1a4a2
Sample: UKR074, 1200-1300 CE, mtDNA: A1a3
Sample: UKR101, 400-300 BCE, mtDNA: I1a1-a* (shared with sample I18259) 
Sample: UKR121, 300-400 CE, mtDNA: H1di
Sample: UKR047, 300-400 CE, mtDNA: H2a8* (shared with sample MF362704.1)
Sample: UKR078, 755-408 BCE, mtDNA: H6a1b2j1c
Sample: UKR049, 169-338 CE, mtDNA: HV0a
Sample: UKR053, 150-1 BCE, mtDNA: HV1a1* (shared with sample MF362727.1) 
Sample: UKR013, 400-300 BCE, mtDNA: HV2a-a2
Sample: UKR056, 991-1149 CE, mtDNA: R10 (is this an actual haplogroup?)
Sample: UKR028, 1300-1400 CE, mtDNA: J1c2e1* 
Sample: UKR096, 382-199 BCE, mtDNA: T2a1a
Sample: UKR042, 382-199 BCE, mtDNA: T2a2*
Sample: UKR018, 1400-1500 CE, mtDNA: B4b'd'e'j*
Sample: UKR063, 1300-1400 CE, mtDNA: U2e1b-a2 (shared with sample KKSX_M89-C1)
Sample: UKR022, 1400-1500 CE, mtDNA: U2e2a1a2* 
Sample: UKR088, 761-420 BCE, mtDNA: U2b3b1
Sample: UKR000, 900-798 BCE, mtDNA: U4a2a*
Sample: UKR045, 300-400 CE, mtDNA: U4c1-a
Sample: UKR001, 900-700 BCE, mtDNA: K1a1*  (shared with samples ON496979.1, Kou03, I0746, and ERS1360691) 
Sample: UKR125, 300-400 CE, mtDNA: K1a4a1b* 
Sample: UKR128, 229-361 CE, mtDNA: K1a-a2 (shared with sample I15959)
Sample: UKR122, 300-400 CE, mtDNA: K1b2b-a 
Sample: UKR129, 245-401 CE, mtDNA: K1c3* 
Sample: UKR006, 900-800 BCE, mtDNA: U5a1
Sample: UKR043, 700-600 BCE, mtDNA: U5a2b-b1*
Sample: UKR068, 1200-1400 CE, mtDNA: U5b1e1a
Sample: UKR002, 900-700 BCE, mtDNA: U5b1a* (shared with samples KU534977.1, MG429012.1, and KC521455.1)

[alchemist223]

Additionally, there are also samples from the paper Archaeogenetic analysis revealed East Eurasian paternal origin to the Aba royal family of Hungary by Varga et al.

Sample: HUAS81, 1000-1200 CE, Y-DNA: I-Y619663, mtDNA: H6a1b3*
Sample: HUAS82, 1400-1500 CE, Y-DNA: R-FTF182, mtDNA: HV14a1b  (shared with sample SHper4, also from medieval Hungary)
Sample: HUAS84, 1000-1200 CE, Y-DNA: R-M12335, mtDNA: H13a1d (shared with sample MK059518.1)
Sample: HUAS87, 1400-1500 CE, Y-DNA: R-YP977, mtDNA: H18* (shared with samples CAM002, MK059511.1, and MK059696.1) 
Sample: HUAS55A, 1200-1500 CE, Y-DNA: R-Y253555, mtDNA: X2m1a2* (interested in this sample as its mtDNA haplogroup is close to my own)
Sample: HUAS341, 1455-1505 CE, Y-DNA: R-BY101983, mtDNA: I1b6*
Sample: HUAS57, 1279-1303 CE, Y-DNA: N-A9416* (shared with sample HUAS262 from this paper), mtDNA: H1b1b*
Sample: HUAS262, 1302-1369 CE, Y-DNA: N-A9416* (shared with sample HUAS57 from this paper), mtDNA: H3bj (shared with sample MK059592.1)

[alchemist223]

The next paper added was Capturing the fusion of two ancestries and kinship structures in Merovingian Flanders by Sasso et al.

Sample: KOS017, 619 CE, Y-DNA: R-Z43277, mtDNA: U4b1a3a* (shared with sample HMSZper132)
Sample: KOS006, 702 CE, Y-DNA: R-L257* , mtDNA: H39b*

[alchemist223]

Samples have also been posted from the paper Genetic population structure across Brittany and the downstream Loire basin provides new insights on the demographic history of Western Europe by Alves et al.

Sample: fra016, 1250-1350 CE, Y-DNA: R-ZP75*, mtDNA: H3n1* 

[alchemist223]

Finally, samples from the paper Descent, marriage, and residence practices of a 3,800-year-old pastoral community in Central Eurasia by Blocher et al. have been uploaded to YFull.

Sample: ERS15896818, Y-DNA: Q-L939*, mtDNA: U1b2d2 (shared with sample ERS15896829 from this paper)
Sample: ERS15896829, mtDNA: U1b2d2 (shared with sample ERS15896818 from this paper)

[Dewsloth]

Yfull seems to be saying that the Russian (via Scottish?) poet, Mikhail Lermontov, is a DF19>Z302 member.

That is right. Lermontov paternally traced to George Learmonth.
His most recent common ancestor with Nesbit of that ilk labeled as R-FT28743 with TMRCA ~1200 AD:



In few weeks you will see him at FTDNA's "Notable Connections" section.

Lermontov is now up at FTDNA's Discover:
https://discover.familytreedna.com/y-dna...43/notable

Mikhail Lermontov
1814 - 1841 CE

Shared Ancestor
1150 CE
You [any R-FT28743 kit, not me] and Mikhail Lermontov share a common paternal line ancestor who lived around this time.
Rare Connection
1 in 62,000
Only 11 customers are this closely related to Mikhail Lermontov.


Mikhail Yuryevich Lermontov was a Russian Romantic writer, poet and painter, sometimes called "the poet of the Caucasus", the most important Russian poet after Alexander Pushkin's death in 1837 and the greatest figure in Russian Romanticism. His influence on Russian literature is felt in modern times, through his poetry, but also his prose, which founded the tradition of the Russian psychological novel.

Mikhail Lermontov was born in Moscow into the Lermontov family. His paternal family descended from the Scottish family of Learmonth, and can be traced to Yuri (George) Learmonth, a Scottish officer in the Polish–Lithuanian service who settled in Russia in the middle of the 17th century. Family legend asserted that George Learmonth descended from the famed 13th-century Scottish poet Thomas the Rhymer (also known as Thomas Learmonth)."

His detailed Y-DNA haplogroup was determined by NGS testing of a descendant, also named Mikhail Yuryevich Lermontov (born 1953). He is currently the leader of the Russian Noble Assembly and president of the Lermontov Heritage Association. The DNA testing was organized by FamilyTreeDNA project administrator Akper Aliev.

Pictured: The last portrait of Lermontov (1841), Kirill Gorbunov, Public domain, via Wikimedia Commons.

[rmstevens2]

Yfull seems to be saying that the Russian (via Scottish?) poet, Mikhail Lermontov, is a DF19>Z302 member.

That is right. Lermontov paternally traced to George Learmonth.
His most recent common ancestor with Nesbit of that ilk labeled as R-FT28743 with TMRCA ~1200 AD:



In few weeks you will see him at FTDNA's "Notable Connections" section.

Lermontov is now up at FTDNA's Discover:
https://discover.familytreedna.com/y-dna...43/notable

Mikhail Lermontov
1814 - 1841 CE

Shared Ancestor
1150 CE
You [any R-FT28743 kit, not me] and Mikhail Lermontov share a common paternal line ancestor who lived around this time.
Rare Connection
1 in 62,000
Only 11 customers are this closely related to Mikhail Lermontov.


Mikhail Yuryevich Lermontov was a Russian Romantic writer, poet and painter, sometimes called "the poet of the Caucasus", the most important Russian poet after Alexander Pushkin's death in 1837 and the greatest figure in Russian Romanticism. His influence on Russian literature is felt in modern times, through his poetry, but also his prose, which founded the tradition of the Russian psychological novel.

Mikhail Lermontov was born in Moscow into the Lermontov family. His paternal family descended from the Scottish family of Learmonth, and can be traced to Yuri (George) Learmonth, a Scottish officer in the Polish–Lithuanian service who settled in Russia in the middle of the 17th century. Family legend asserted that George Learmonth descended from the famed 13th-century Scottish poet Thomas the Rhymer (also known as Thomas Learmonth)."

His detailed Y-DNA haplogroup was determined by NGS testing of a descendant, also named Mikhail Yuryevich Lermontov (born 1953). He is currently the leader of the Russian Noble Assembly and president of the Lermontov Heritage Association. The DNA testing was organized by FamilyTreeDNA project administrator Akper Aliev.

Pictured: The last portrait of Lermontov (1841), Kirill Gorbunov, Public domain, via Wikimedia Commons.

Thanks for that. My wife, who is Russian, was surprised by that news (so was I).