An investigation into the Early Bronze Age cemetery of Başur Höyük
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(02-02-2025, 04:43 AM)teepean Wrote: An investigation into the Early Bronze Age cemetery of Başur Höyük

On the upper reaches of the Tigris and Euphrates, archaeologists encounter evidence that challenges conventional understandings of early state formation as a transition from ‘small-scale, egalitarian’ to ‘large- scale, stratified’ societies. One such location is the Early Bronze Age cemetery of Başur Höyük, which presents evidence of grand funerary rituals—including ‘retainer burials’ and spectacular deposits of metallic wealth—in an otherwise small-scale, egalitarian setting. A further, puzzling feature of this cemetery is the preponderance of teenagers in the richest tombs. Here we describe the combined results of archaeological and anthropological analysis at Başur Höyük, including ancient DNA, and consider the challenges they pose to traditional accounts of early state formation.

https://www.ebi.ac.uk/ena/browser/view/PRJEB83032

R1b-Z2110 Early Bronze Age, 3100–2800 BC, Başur Höyük - Turkey  
Sample  amostra SB710_T_SK1096 [low coverage] AU número AU79645


https://theytree.com/tree/R-Z2110

https://www.theytree.com/sample/8aaaf846...ef880.html

https://www.theytree.com/portal/index/sa...ur%20Höyük.
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(02-08-2025, 08:25 PM)RCO Wrote:
(02-02-2025, 04:43 AM)teepean Wrote: An investigation into the Early Bronze Age cemetery of Başur Höyük

On the upper reaches of the Tigris and Euphrates, archaeologists encounter evidence that challenges conventional understandings of early state formation as a transition from ‘small-scale, egalitarian’ to ‘large- scale, stratified’ societies. One such location is the Early Bronze Age cemetery of Başur Höyük, which presents evidence of grand funerary rituals—including ‘retainer burials’ and spectacular deposits of metallic wealth—in an otherwise small-scale, egalitarian setting. A further, puzzling feature of this cemetery is the preponderance of teenagers in the richest tombs. Here we describe the combined results of archaeological and anthropological analysis at Başur Höyük, including ancient DNA, and consider the challenges they pose to traditional accounts of early state formation.

https://www.ebi.ac.uk/ena/browser/view/PRJEB83032

R1b-Z2110 Early Bronze Age, 3100–2800 BC, Başur Höyük - Turkey  
Sample  amostra SB710_T_SK1096 [low coverage] AU número AU79645


https://theytree.com/tree/R-Z2110

https://www.theytree.com/sample/8aaaf846...ef880.html

https://www.theytree.com/portal/index/sa...ur%20Höyük.

Thank you, RCO.  I had saw something on X that said the R1b was BY41694.  Z2110 would not be as unexpected.
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Given it's archaeological culture, given that it's low coverage and it's date it is more likely that it was V1636.
Basur Hoyuk has similar features to Arslantepe region.
No single Z2110 was found in ancient Armenia. Z2110 is more popular in Balkans.
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We are always going to have surprises in the South of the Caucasus and Iran

Başur Höyük is too southern and too ancient, can be an indication of Southern R1b-Z2103 clades movements from the South to the North of the Caucasus with the local CHG components.
Başur Höyük is related to Arslantepe and archaeological evidence indicates clear connections with the Maikop-Novosvobodnaya kurgans culture:

Massimino, Martina - Graves of power. Circulation of elite strategies between Caucasus and south-eastern Anatolia in the dawn of the Bronze Age.
https://www.jstor.org/stable/jj.1791894

Palumbi, Giulio - The “Royal Tomb” at Arslantepe and the 3rd Millennium BC in Upper Mesopotamia
https://hal.science/hal-03427458/document
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Another possibility is that it's M269*

This branch

https://discover.familytreedna.com/y-dna/R-FTG713/tree
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This was posted to X a little while ago. I was under the impression that steppe ancestry arrived a bit later this far south, no?  All of the modern populations at top have steppe ancestry, albeit limited.


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(02-11-2025, 05:13 AM)Humanist Wrote: This was posted to X a little while ago. I was under the impression that steppe ancestry arrived a bit later this far south, no?  All of the modern populations at top have steppe ancestry, albeit limited.

They don't seem to have any Steppe ancestry. 

mesopotamian:SB710,0.084229,0.140143,-0.065242,-0.064923,-0.031698,-0.014781,0.009635,-0.007846,-0.017794,0.003098,0.008282,-0.006594,-0.002081,0.004266,-0.005972,0.001724,0.004824,-0.001394,-0.001257,-0.002751,0.001123,-0.00371,-0.00037,-0.010242,0.005628
mesopotamian:SB731,0.086506,0.129988,-0.068259,-0.080427,-0.048009,-0.015618,0.008225,-0.007846,-0.010431,-0.009112,0.003573,0.004346,-0.001487,0.001239,-0.013843,0.017237,0.009648,0.005448,0.005028,-0.003252,0.020589,0.000866,-0.003697,-0.011327,-0.008023

Target: mesopotamian:SB710 Distance: 1.7976% / 0.01797632 | R4P 
44.4 Kura-Araxes_ARM_Kaps 
25.4 Levant_PPNB 
17.6 IRN_Ganj_Dareh_N 
12.6 TUR_Barcin_N

Target: mesopotamian:SB731 Distance: 3.9175% / 0.03917515 | R4P 
39.4 Kura-Araxes_ARM_Kaps 
33.8 Levant_PPNB 
22.0 IRN_Ganj_Dareh_N 
4.8 TUR_Barcin_N
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(02-11-2025, 07:35 AM)FR9CZ6 Wrote:
(02-11-2025, 05:13 AM)Humanist Wrote: This was posted to X a little while ago. I was under the impression that steppe ancestry arrived a bit later this far south, no?  All of the modern populations at top have steppe ancestry, albeit limited.

They don't seem to have any Steppe ancestry. 

mesopotamian:SB710,0.084229,0.140143,-0.065242,-0.064923,-0.031698,-0.014781,0.009635,-0.007846,-0.017794,0.003098,0.008282,-0.006594,-0.002081,0.004266,-0.005972,0.001724,0.004824,-0.001394,-0.001257,-0.002751,0.001123,-0.00371,-0.00037,-0.010242,0.005628
mesopotamian:SB731,0.086506,0.129988,-0.068259,-0.080427,-0.048009,-0.015618,0.008225,-0.007846,-0.010431,-0.009112,0.003573,0.004346,-0.001487,0.001239,-0.013843,0.017237,0.009648,0.005448,0.005028,-0.003252,0.020589,0.000866,-0.003697,-0.011327,-0.008023

Target: mesopotamian:SB710 Distance: 1.7976% / 0.01797632 | R4P 
44.4 Kura-Araxes_ARM_Kaps 
25.4 Levant_PPNB 
17.6 IRN_Ganj_Dareh_N 
12.6 TUR_Barcin_N

Target: mesopotamian:SB731 Distance: 3.9175% / 0.03917515 | R4P 
39.4 Kura-Araxes_ARM_Kaps 
33.8 Levant_PPNB 
22.0 IRN_Ganj_Dareh_N 
4.8 TUR_Barcin_N

Target: mesopotamian:SB710
Distance: 0.8932% / 0.00893162 | ADC: 0.25x RC
31.6 IRN_Hajji_Firuz_N
17.8 TUR_Arslantepe_EBA
16.4 TUR_SE_Sirnak_En
8.2 RUS_Maykop_Novosvobodnaya_EBA
8.2 Russia_Maykop_En
8.0 ARM_Areni_C
7.2 TUR_Ikiztepe_EBA
2.0 MAR_N
0.6 South_africa_En

Target: mesopotamian:SB731
Distance: 2.3989% / 0.02398908 | ADC: 0.25x RC
20.8 Georgia_Arukhlo_ShomutepeShulaveri_N
20.0 IRN_Seh_Gabi_LN
13.0 Iraq_Shanidar_EMeso
11.6 Levant_ISR_C
9.0 IRQ_Nemrik9_PPN_EMeso
7.0 IRN_Seh_Gabi_En
6.4 AZE_Caucasus_lowlands_LC
6.4 AZE_Caucasus_lowlands_LN
3.2 Levant_PPNB_Meso
1.6 IRN_Hajji_Firuz_N
1.0 Japan_EEn
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Where was this data from? I barely got anything from the fastq files from the repository.
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(02-11-2025, 10:02 AM)Norfern-Ostrobothnian Wrote: Where was this data from? I barely got anything from the fastq files from the repository.

It's circulating on twitter. I don't know who converted it, perhaps it's just simulated and given its low coverage it's probably not very reliable. I'd rather wait for the study to be published, just quickly checked them. 

Vlad:

Yeah, using more proximate sources the samples prefer Maykop in the models (Same goes for some Arslan Tepe Chalcolithic samples). With those sources PB710 gets even a few percent Yamnaya or other Steppe BA source, but I'm not convinced it's real.
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(02-11-2025, 10:02 AM)Norfern-Ostrobothnian Wrote: Where was this data from? I barely got anything from the fastq files from the repository.

That's not from me but I can say that's because, contrary to usual practice, they didn't remove the adapters. So before attempting to map, you have to remove them with trimmomatic (truseq3 option) or fastp.
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(02-11-2025, 02:15 PM)crashdoc Wrote:
(02-11-2025, 10:02 AM)Norfern-Ostrobothnian Wrote: Where was this data from? I barely got anything from the fastq files from the repository.

That's not from me but I can say that's because, contrary to usual practice, they didn't remove the adapters. So before attempting to map, you have to remove them with trimmomatic (truseq3 option) or fastp.

do these adapters inflate African admixture/noise in a sample?
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EHG DNA in the 2800/3500 year old Hasanlu Tepe & Dinkha Tepe Zagrosian sample according to Lazaridis Southern Arc paper supp https://www.science.org/doi/10.1126/science.abm4247



https://www.reddit.com/r/IranicWorld/com...are_button


Samples to compare if Basur Hoyuk turns up R1b - 
HajjiFiruz I4243 and I2327(R1b-Z2103?)
Hasanlu Iron age F38(R1b-Z2103?)
Steppe pastoralist dairy-milk drinker R1b-Z2110-- Yamnaya-> Corded Ware-> Poland ? and or  Yamnaya -> Sarmat(Alan)-> Poland ?
23andme- 91.4% Eastern Europe - 4.7 % Scandinavian - 0.5 % French German - 1.2 % Broadly Northwestern European - o.4 % Southern Europe - 1.3  % Broadly Europe.
91.4 % Eastern European - Silesian, Lesser Poland, Masovian, Greater Poland, Swietokryskie, Lublin, Podlaskie, Pomeranian 

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(02-11-2025, 02:31 PM)nomad01 Wrote:
(02-11-2025, 02:15 PM)crashdoc Wrote:
(02-11-2025, 10:02 AM)Norfern-Ostrobothnian Wrote: Where was this data from? I barely got anything from the fastq files from the repository.

That's not from me but I can say that's because, contrary to usual practice, they didn't remove the adapters. So before attempting to map, you have to remove them with trimmomatic (truseq3 option) or fastp.

do these adapters inflate African admixture/noise in a sample?
I don't think it should, but I have never investigated that
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All 3 samples are females. All these Y-DNA calls are BS
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