Genealogy's Secret Weapon: How mtDNA Can Solve Family Mysteries

[Capsian20]

Two questions

For those who have their new mitoTree assignment, how has that affected your FMS match list? 
Did you gain or lose anybody? Did the Genetic Distances change?

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Why is there such a large difference between the Public Haplotree and mitoDiscover?
Are there other factors besides Academic studies?

             Haplotree vs  mitoDiscover
L-root       199,565 vs  268,169

Over 30% more on MitoDiscover.

The HaploTree is even prefaced with "world's largest mtDNA database containing 258,000 mtFull Sequences ", yet they only show 199,565.

for my own subclade, the discrepancy is even worse proportionally, almost 50% higher
T1a1    2721 vs  3964

Not a direct answer to your question [yet] but when they get around to the H's:
Dad is currently listed as H1j, as are 10 (public) of the 18 members of the Elizabeth WALKER Warren mtDNA FTDNA Group.  Nobody there is officially H1j10a.
He has 31 "exact matches" for mtFull.  All H1j.
Meanwhile in Discover they say there are 45 members who are H1j10a.
But:

mtDNA Results H1j10a [1]
The FTDNA Mayflower Project and the Elizabeth WALKER Warren mtDNA Lineage Project currently documents nine matrilineal (all female line) descendants of Elizabeth (Walker) Warren. All nine have been assigned to the H1j haplogroup, but the YFull mtDNA tree has futher refined the clade to H1j10a.[2]

As of 1 October 2024, FTDNA documents a total of 31 individuals who have taken a Full mtDNA test and are exact mtDNA matches to most[3] of the known matrilineal descendants of Elizabeth WALKER Warren. As such, the H1j10a haplogroup is not limited to matrilineal descendants of Elizabeth WALKER Warren, but it is believed they all likely descend from a matrilineal ancestor of Elizabeth. Thus the H1j10a Haplogroup in and of itself cannot be used to conclusively identify a matrilineal line from Elizabeth, but all of Elizabeth's matrilineal descendants must fall under this haplogroup (with the possibility of additional mutations).

Speculation
Currently, the four individuals in YFull's mtDNA tree who fall under H1j10, but are not H1j10a are all from Spain.[4] As such it may be possible where a matrilineal ancestor of Elizabeth had emigrated from Spain to England.

 https://mayflowerdna.org/wiki/index.php/...sted_lines

So are these H1j10a folks in Discover really a different pool, or are they "double-counted" and an internal tally of H1j's who will be revealed when FTDNA get around to the H's?

To answer my own question, they were double-counted:  Dad is now H1j10a, and there are still 45 folks who are.

I can see them all in Match Time Tree, and fascinatingly I can see many people identified all the way up to H1j (2500 BCE).  
Meanwhile Discover YDNA Match Time Tree will only let me see names of six of about 14 of my closest Big Y matches even though we are all from the same person in the Roman Era.

dont worry your matches its possible updated in the fews weeks, so keep an eye on it!

[Mitchell-Atkins]

I got my results.  TMRCA is 2435 BC


4 England
2 Germany
1 France
1 United Kingdom
1 Ireland

what is your subclade ?

H1bt.  It’s listed in my profile to the left, but I shouldn’t have assumed people would look there

Really odd.  My subclade has changed from H1bt to H1th

[Georgian1950]

My previous closest match for my deceased mother, I believe likely had a matrilineal common ancestor with her around 1730. The new tree says the common ancestor was about 2000 BCE. I am not impressed.

[FionnSneachta]

My dad's has updated but remains unchanged at H27e.

[DeParis]

I just received the mitotree update. My haplogroup was moved downstream from H1b3 to H1b3e, TMRCA now estimated at 450 BCE. It seems like almost all of my close matches pre-update were also assigned to this new downstream branch. I'm under haplotype cluster F8776892.

   

[SeanDVincent]

Matches haven't changed. What is new is my matches, all have a common ancestor from 1818ce and our collective haplogroup changed to T2b20c.

[Mitchell-Atkins]

Really odd.  My subclade has changed from H1bt to H1th

Thanks to SeanDVincent’s post, I now see what happened 
”classic” and “mitotree” names for same branch.

The TMRCA did update to a much more recent time 1800 AD vs ~1200 BC

[rmstevens2]

Got my Mitotree update today: U5a2c3a3c, ~1300 AD



The closest thing in Discover's Ancient Connections is U5a2c, but I recall three ancient Beaker samples that are U5a2c3a: 

Sample I1382,  2435–2136 calBC,  Mondelange - PAC de la Sente (Moselle, France), (male, Y-DNA R-P312), Olalde et al, 2018;

Sample I2455,  2130-1910 calBC,  Over Narrows (Needingworth Quarry, Cambridgeshire, England), female, Olalde et al 2018;

Sample I2597,  2280–2030 calBC,  Amesbury Down (Wiltshire, England), (male, but no Y-DNA reported), Olalde et al 2018.

I don't see any real changes in my matches. I still have two that are exact matches for me, a brother and sister. Their mdka (1837-1876) was from the same place, Lauderdale County, Alabama, that my mdka was from, but she died a couple of years before my mdka was born. Obviously they were related, but I have yet to find out what the connection was.

Things have been pretty dull for me on the genetic genealogy front for awhile now. This Mitotree thing has been the only excitement, such as it is.

Anyway, I decided to write FTDNA and ask them to consider adding those three Beaker samples to mtDNA Discover.

[Capsian20]

I saw new publication today
   

[Capsian20]

Before 
   
Now

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[Mabrams]

Just curious

On the MitoTree Badge, any significance to the red circle with occasional breaks?

I thought perhaps it is the circular shape of mitochondrial DNA, but the Classic mtDNA badge does not have the Circle.

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Capsian20 , why do you think your Classic badge changed?

[boiler20100203]

Interesting, my top 3 are also Viking age: VK92, VDP A6 and VK153. Going back further my ancient matches are still from that region, add England and Brittany to those.

Lejre 92
850 - 900 CE
Shared Ancestor
1500 BCE

You and Lejre 92 share a common maternal line ancestor who lived around this time.

Rare Connection
1 in 327
Only 821 customers are this closely related to Lejre 92.

Lejre 92 was a woman who lived between 850 - 900 CE during the Viking Age and was found in the region now known as Lejre, Sealand, Denmark.

She was associated with the Viking Denmark cultural group.

My mito updated and so did my ancients above. Our shared ancestor went from 1500 BCE to 950 BCE as did the # of customers closely related. 

If I had to make a better educated guess, Frankish of Gothic appear to be the best odds based on current distribution.

Another way to view it - seems like our mutations are fast changing according to the description.

[Dewsloth]

Ha!  There is now a unicorn icon in my mtDNA Match Time Tree, with the caption
"[icon]
You do not have any mtFull matches in our database at this time. This usually means that you belong to a rare or under-tested lineage and are the first from your maternal line to take the mtFull test. We recommend checking back periodically as our database grows all the time with new mtFull Sequence testers, academic samples, and ancient connections."

[Capsian20]

Just curious

On the MitoTree Badge, any significance to the red circle with occasional breaks?

I thought perhaps it is the circular shape of mitochondrial DNA, but the Classic mtDNA badge does not have the Circle.

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Capsian20 , why do you think your Classic badge changed?

is seems to me i was in position ambiguous because i have SNP V12 (T7270C) and V25 as well (C14629T)

[Capsian20]

Ha!  There is now a unicorn icon in my mtDNA Match Time Tree, with the caption
"[icon]
You do not have any mtFull matches in our database at this time. This usually means that you belong to a rare or under-tested lineage and are the first from your maternal line to take the mtFull test. We recommend checking back periodically as our database grows all the time with new mtFull Sequence testers, academic samples, and ancient connections."

Me too , but i hope FTDNA adding samples From Algeria and Sardinia maybe can i have new subclades