Coats of arms of haplogroups J (J-M304), J1 (J-M267), J2 (J-M172) and others

[Mitchell-Atkins]

As the birthplace of agriculture and farmers

You could use a scythe in the shape of a “J”





Reverse image of this

[Vognejar]

As the birthplace of agriculture and farmers

You could use a scythe in the shape of a “J”





Reverse image of this

Not bad, but there is one problem. For the Scythians, the plow, the axe and the cup denoted different castes. Farmers, warriors and shamans. And the farmers were the very bottom of the hierarchy of early societies. Below them were only the expelled outcasts and hunter-gatherers. In addition, there is no data that our haplogroup dominated among the Scythians. And if we talk about myth-making, then for our haplogroup we need to take the origins - eastern Anatolia. There, the modern descendants of the Medes - the Kurds - they have their own myths even about Zoroaster. We can only talk, for example, about some proto-Iranian cults that were associated with the image of a bull, as well as later ones, such as Mithraism (the cult of Mithra came to the Roman Empire from ancient Iranian territories). Also, a fifth of imperial Rome consisted of our Mediterranean haplogroup ancestors, which means that ancient Greco-Roman cults are also eligible for use. I also like the Trident symbol - as the patron of the seas.

[Joey37]

As the birthplace of agriculture and farmers

You could use a scythe in the shape of a “J”





Reverse image of this

Not bad, but there is one problem. For the Scythians, the plow, the axe and the cup denoted different castes. Farmers, warriors and shamans. And the farmers were the very bottom of the hierarchy of early societies. Below them were only the expelled outcasts and hunter-gatherers. In addition, there is no data that our haplogroup dominated among the Scythians. And if we talk about myth-making, then for our haplogroup we need to take the origins - eastern Anatolia. There, the modern descendants of the Medes - the Kurds - they have their own myths even about Zoroaster. We can only talk, for example, about some proto-Iranian cults that were associated with the image of a bull, as well as later ones, such as Mithraism (the cult of Mithra came to the Roman Empire from ancient Iranian territories). Also, a fifth of imperial Rome consisted of our Mediterranean haplogroup ancestors, which means that ancient Greco-Roman cults are also eligible for use. I also like the Trident symbol - as the patron of the seas.

Hey, solid idea.  We R1a guys are the warriors (as it is the founding haplogroup of the Indo-Iranian peoples the Scythians descend from) so we will use an axe in our coat of arms.  R1b can use the cup, but make it a Bell Beaker.

[RCO]

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Hey, solid idea.  We R1a guys are the warriors (as it is the founding haplogroup of the Indo-Iranian peoples the Scythians descend from) so we will use an axe in our coat of arms.  R1b can use the cup, but make it a Bell Beaker.
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All haplogroups have different ethnic branches, R1a have Turkic, Mongolic, Semitic clades never related to Indo-Europeans and R1a in Europe was just Indo-Europeanized in the forests and swamps of Eastern Europe, not different from local I1 and E-V13, they were not in the first and original Indo-European regions around the Caucasus-Caspian Sea.

[Mitchell-Atkins]

In U152 we are fortunate that we have a close ancient dna connection to Continental Bell Beaker culture/burials, especially the U152>L2 branch.

Hence the arrows, horse, and Bell Beaker symbols in the U152 logos seen at the FTDNA U152 project header

https://www.familytreedna.com/groups/r-1...background

The number of symbols also has meaning

U shape
1 horse
5 mountain peaks
2 arrows

[rmstevens2]

As the birthplace of agriculture and farmers

You could use a scythe in the shape of a “J”





Reverse image of this

Not bad, but there is one problem. For the Scythians, the plow, the axe and the cup denoted different castes. Farmers, warriors and shamans. And the farmers were the very bottom of the hierarchy of early societies. Below them were only the expelled outcasts and hunter-gatherers. In addition, there is no data that our haplogroup dominated among the Scythians. And if we talk about myth-making, then for our haplogroup we need to take the origins - eastern Anatolia. There, the modern descendants of the Medes - the Kurds - they have their own myths even about Zoroaster. We can only talk, for example, about some proto-Iranian cults that were associated with the image of a bull, as well as later ones, such as Mithraism (the cult of Mithra came to the Roman Empire from ancient Iranian territories). Also, a fifth of imperial Rome consisted of our Mediterranean haplogroup ancestors, which means that ancient Greco-Roman cults are also eligible for use. I also like the Trident symbol - as the patron of the seas.

Hey, solid idea.  We R1a guys are the warriors (as it is the founding haplogroup of the Indo-Iranian peoples the Scythians descend from) so we will use an axe in our coat of arms.  R1b can use the cup, but make it a Bell Beaker.

R1b-M269 was in Yamnaya and Corded Ware before it was in Beaker. Maybe we could use the horse as our symbol.

[Vognejar]

As the birthplace of agriculture and farmers

You could use a scythe in the shape of a “J”





Reverse image of this

Not bad, but there is one problem. For the Scythians, the plow, the axe and the cup denoted different castes. Farmers, warriors and shamans. And the farmers were the very bottom of the hierarchy of early societies. Below them were only the expelled outcasts and hunter-gatherers. In addition, there is no data that our haplogroup dominated among the Scythians. And if we talk about myth-making, then for our haplogroup we need to take the origins - eastern Anatolia. There, the modern descendants of the Medes - the Kurds - they have their own myths even about Zoroaster. We can only talk, for example, about some proto-Iranian cults that were associated with the image of a bull, as well as later ones, such as Mithraism (the cult of Mithra came to the Roman Empire from ancient Iranian territories). Also, a fifth of imperial Rome consisted of our Mediterranean haplogroup ancestors, which means that ancient Greco-Roman cults are also eligible for use. I also like the Trident symbol - as the patron of the seas.

Hey, solid idea.  We R1a guys are the warriors (as it is the founding haplogroup of the Indo-Iranian peoples the Scythians descend from) so we will use an axe in our coat of arms.  R1b can use the cup, but make it a Bell Beaker.

Indo-Europeans (including Indo-Iranians) are tied to different haplogroups, there is no monopoly here. The problem is that neither linguistics, nor population anthropology, nor archeology can give a clear answer here, because everyone has mixed with everyone throughout history, with some exceptions. Genetics gives a specific answer for a specific branch of a haplogroup, therefore, as a conditional general symbol, I think it is best to take a weapon or some object related to a haplogroup and repeating the shape of the letter of the haplogroup. For Indo-European branches, a chariot would be quite a good symbol (for example, for R1b-Z93). The axe is not only a symbol from the mythology of the Scythians. Also, Kyivan Rus (may be from iranian times) used the pommel of the axe as a talisman. In addition, the sword stuck in the ground, which was worshiped by the Indo-Iranians (among whom there will be quite a lot of haplogroup J).

https://violity.com/ru/109466633-skifski...til-kopiya


https://swordmaster.org/2012/08/05/drevn...oriki.html

[Mitchell-Atkins]

Not bad, but there is one problem. For the Scythians, the plow, the axe and the cup denoted different castes. Farmers, warriors and shamans. And the farmers were the very bottom of the hierarchy of early societies. Below them were only the expelled outcasts and hunter-gatherers. In addition, there is no data that our haplogroup dominated among the Scythians. And if we talk about myth-making, then for our haplogroup we need to take the origins - eastern Anatolia. There, the modern descendants of the Medes - the Kurds - they have their own myths even about Zoroaster. We can only talk, for example, about some proto-Iranian cults that were associated with the image of a bull, as well as later ones, such as Mithraism (the cult of Mithra came to the Roman Empire from ancient Iranian territories). Also, a fifth of imperial Rome consisted of our Mediterranean haplogroup ancestors, which means that ancient Greco-Roman cults are also eligible for use. I also like the Trident symbol - as the patron of the seas.

Hey, solid idea.  We R1a guys are the warriors (as it is the founding haplogroup of the Indo-Iranian peoples the Scythians descend from) so we will use an axe in our coat of arms.  R1b can use the cup, but make it a Bell Beaker.

R1b-M269 was in Yamnaya and Corded Ware before it was in Beaker. Maybe we could use the horse as our symbol.

One of the descendants of these groups, the Celts, whether on the continent or in the Isles, almost couldn’t resist putting the horse on most of their coins.

[Vognejar]

Some new ideas for symbols:

a)


b)


c)


1. Two olive stars - a symbol of two branches of the haplogroup (J1,J2)
2. White is the color of the sky
3. Blue - the color of the Mediterranean sea

[Vognejar]

A new attempt to create a symbol of the haplogroup. The idea is that if we take not weapons as a symbol, but the element of water (close to the Mediterranean) and columns as architecture, the creative force of our Mediterranean culture

[Mitchell-Atkins]

Here is what ChatGPT came up with

[Mitchell-Atkins]

ChatGPT modified based on my request

[nureb]

What about one for J2?

[Vognejar]

1. At the moment, for haplogroup J, as symbolism, I have come to the following basic elements of style, pattern:
1. Olive tree
2. Spirals
3. Falcon

For example, these patterns can be used in creating the style of haplogroup "J"



Next, I am working on archaeological, linguistic and other features that would be interesting to reflect in symbolism.

2. Here are the reconstructions of the word "falcon" using English letters so that they can be read:

Proto-Eurasian / Nostratic language:
pangi or tangi

Proto-Afroasiatic language:
'ar or 'an

Proto-Elamite:
shiri or tiri

Proto-Semitic:
'a'ir or 'ir

Proto-Elamo-Dravidian / Proto-Indo-European:
hregs or hreigs

These are adapted reconstructions to make them easier to read.

3. Here are some mythological characters:

1. IJK (~50,000 years ago) → Adam / Purusha / Yama
Adam (Akkadian adamu, Hebrew אָדָם‎ (ʾĀḏām))
Meaning: "man", "red" (possibly from the color of clay or blood).
Origin: The root ʾDM is found in Semitic languages ​​and is often associated with earth (Aramaic adma - "soil").
Purusha (Skt. पुरुष - puruṣa)
Meaning: "man", "cosmic man".
Origin: The root pur ("filled", "full"), which may allude to cosmic order.
Yama (Skt. यम - Yama)
Meaning: "twin", "one who controls".
Origin: The root yam ("to restrain", "to order"), which may indicate Yama's role as the ruler of the afterlife.
? Link to IJK
These names reflect early myths about ancestors and rulers of life and death.

2. J (~40,000 years ago) → Enki / Varuna / Oannes
Enki (Sumerian: ??? – Enki)
Meaning: “Lord of the Earth” (EN – “lord”, KI – “earth”).
Origin: Sumerian tradition, later influenced by Akkadian Ea.
Varuna (Skt. वरुण – Varuṇa)
Meaning: “one who encompasses” or “all-pervading”.
Origin: Root vr (“to encompass”, “to surround”), hinting at its connection with waters and the cosmos.
Oannes (Greek: Ὀάννης – Oannes)
Meaning: The name may derive from Akkadian Uanna, the title of the first of the apkal (semi-divine sages).
Origin: Babylonian tradition, myth of a fish-man creature who brought knowledge to people.
? Connection with J
Images of wise men and water gods teaching people fit perfectly into early Neolithic societies.

3. J1 (~30,000 years ago) → Ishmael / Baal / Shedu
Ishmael (Hebrew: יִשְׁמָעֵאל – Yīšmāʿēl)
Meaning: “God has heard.”
Origin: Semitic name associated with biblical patriarchs.
Baal (Phoenician: ??? – Baʿal)
Meaning: “Lord,” “Master.”
Origin: Semitic word baʿal (בַּעַל), which meant divine dominion.
Shedu (Akkadian: ?? – Šēdu)
Meaning: “Defender”, “guardian”.
Origin: Possibly related to the Akkadian root šd (“to protect”).
? Connection with J1
Myths about nomads, formidable storm and desert gods, and protective spirits.

4. J2 (~27,000 years ago) → Dumuzi / Marduk / Dionysus
Dumuzi (Sumerian: ?? – Dumuzi)
Meaning: “Son of Truth” (Dumu – “son”, zi – “truth”).
Origin: Sumerian tradition, god of fertility and shepherds.
Marduk (Akkadian: ??? – Marduk)
Meaning: Unclear, possibly “bull of Sin” or “solar deity”.
Origin: Root amar-Utu ("calf of Shamash").
Dionysus (Greek Διόνυσος – Dionysos)
Meaning: "Zeus of Nysia" (Dios – "Zeus", Nysa – mythical place).
Origin: Probably a Proto-Greek or Anatolian word related to winemaking.
? Connection with J2
The gods of agriculture, wine and urban planning reflect the migration of J2 to agrarian civilizations.

Conclusion
You have received a complete chain IJK → J → J1 → J2 with mythological analogues and their etymology.

? IJK → myths about the ancestors of the world.
? J → myths about sages and cultural heroes.
? J1 → nomadic gods and protectors.
? J2 → gods of civilization and agriculture.

[RCO]

As I wrote here J1 is diversity.
My J1 lineage is related to Ancient Iranians around the Caspian Sea, we are Indo-Europenas in NW Iberia and we participated in the Medieval Portuguese victory against Semitic Arabs, Berbers, Moors and Jews. The Portuguese Empire fought against Castilians and all other European Empires in the Atlantic and as a Brazilin J1 we are here in the biggest and major part of the former Portuguese Empire.