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    Thread: new paper on iron age Britons
Post: RE: new paper on iron age Britons

I don’t think anyone is surprised southern England has a stream of incomers from the mid bronze age until the Roman arrived. Archaeology suggested that anyway. In fact i’d say this stream was present...
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Ancient (aDNA) 43 3,174 02-08-2025, 11:16 AM
    Thread: The Origin of R1b-L21
Post: RE: The Origin of R1b-L21

rmstevens2 Wrote: (02-01-2025, 09:05 PM) -- FTDNA Discover's Globetrekker is back to the silliness of showing R-L21 originating in SW England. That's silly because Discover's own "Haplogroup Story" e...
alanarchae2
alanarchae2
R1b-L21 497 28,411 02-01-2025, 10:37 PM
    Thread: new paper on iron age Britons
Post: RE: new paper on iron age Britons

there is a problem though in comparing iron age and bronze age generics in Britain. The problem is that the british overwhelmingly cremated between about 1500BC and the iron age and even in the iron ...
alanarchae2
alanarchae2
Ancient (aDNA) 43 3,174 02-01-2025, 10:13 PM
    Thread: new paper on iron age Britons
Post: RE: new paper on iron age Britons

JonikW Wrote: (01-31-2025, 10:01 PM) -- The value of primary sources is often downplayed but we've seen several ancient chroniclers now that got things right for northern Europe where modern academic...
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Ancient (aDNA) 43 3,174 02-01-2025, 10:03 PM
    Thread: new paper on iron age Britons
Post: RE: new paper on iron age Britons

alanarchae2 Wrote: (01-31-2025, 12:20 PM) -- Dewsloth Wrote: (01-22-2025, 10:21 PM) -- Okay, a little closer look at what they have on Driffield and how it relates to the rest of Britain over time a...
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Ancient (aDNA) 43 3,174 01-31-2025, 12:37 PM
    Thread: new paper on iron age Britons
Post: RE: new paper on iron age Britons

Dewsloth Wrote: (01-22-2025, 10:21 PM) -- Okay, a little closer look at what they have on Driffield and how it relates to the rest of Britain over time and also with the Netherlands/NWEurope as an in...
alanarchae2
alanarchae2
Ancient (aDNA) 43 3,174 01-31-2025, 12:20 PM
    Thread: new paper on iron age Britons
Post: RE: new paper on iron age Britons

One thing is clear - the south of england must have been the engine room of passing on cultural and linguistic influence to the rest of Britain and Ireland through the bronze and iron ages. It’s intim...
alanarchae2
alanarchae2
Ancient (aDNA) 43 3,174 01-19-2025, 12:09 AM
    Thread: new paper on iron age Britons
Post: RE: new paper on iron age Britons

Granary Wrote: (01-18-2025, 04:45 PM) -- alanarchae2 Wrote: (01-18-2025, 04:36 PM) -- Mitchell-Atkins Wrote: (01-17-2025, 05:14 PM) -- Per language intelligibility discussion;  just some anecdotal ...
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Ancient (aDNA) 43 3,174 01-18-2025, 06:27 PM
    Thread: new paper on iron age Britons
Post: RE: new paper on iron age Britons

Granary Wrote: (01-18-2025, 04:45 PM) -- alanarchae2 Wrote: (01-18-2025, 04:36 PM) -- Mitchell-Atkins Wrote: (01-17-2025, 05:14 PM) -- Per language intelligibility discussion;  just some anecdotal ...
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alanarchae2
Ancient (aDNA) 43 3,174 01-18-2025, 06:15 PM
    Thread: new paper on iron age Britons
Post: RE: new paper on iron age Britons

Granary Wrote: (01-18-2025, 04:45 PM) -- alanarchae2 Wrote: (01-18-2025, 04:36 PM) -- Mitchell-Atkins Wrote: (01-17-2025, 05:14 PM) -- Per language intelligibility discussion;  just some anecdotal ...
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alanarchae2
Ancient (aDNA) 43 3,174 01-18-2025, 05:47 PM
    Thread: new paper on iron age Britons
Post: RE: new paper on iron age Britons

Mitchell-Atkins Wrote: (01-17-2025, 05:14 PM) -- Per language intelligibility discussion;  just some anecdotal examples Hawaiian and Marquesan Polynesian languages split around 1100 AD yet they a...
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alanarchae2
Ancient (aDNA) 43 3,174 01-18-2025, 04:36 PM
    Thread: new paper on iron age Britons
Post: RE: new paper on iron age Britons

Granary Wrote: (01-17-2025, 07:35 AM) -- alanarchae2 Wrote: (01-17-2025, 01:56 AM) -- It probably had the key role in keeping the language dialects of Britain closely aligned to the continent throug...
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alanarchae2
Ancient (aDNA) 43 3,174 01-18-2025, 04:11 PM
    Thread: new paper on iron age Britons
Post: RE: new paper on iron age Britons

In southern coast England at least, the model of continuous interaction from beaker times through the entire bronze age is convincing. Especially intense and with a genetic signal from the middle Bron...
alanarchae2
alanarchae2
Ancient (aDNA) 43 3,174 01-18-2025, 03:59 PM
    Thread: new paper on iron age Britons
Post: RE: new paper on iron age Britons

Riverman Wrote: (01-18-2025, 01:47 PM) -- pelop Wrote: (01-18-2025, 10:58 AM) -- Webb Wrote: (01-17-2025, 05:51 PM) -- I would also point out Latin.  Spoken between 1200 and 700 BCE, with an inscri...
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Ancient (aDNA) 43 3,174 01-18-2025, 03:30 PM
    Thread: new paper on iron age Britons
Post: RE: new paper on iron age Britons

mutually intelligibility is hard to put a timeframe on. There are loads of cases of mutual intelligibility of stretching for vast periods. Many centuries. Even a millennium. An example is Gaelic. Poli...
alanarchae2
alanarchae2
Ancient (aDNA) 43 3,174 01-18-2025, 03:23 PM
    Thread: new paper on iron age Britons
Post: RE: new paper on iron age Britons

leaving asher the matralocality thing, it is interesting in showing that the iron age Celtic speakers of Britain noted by the Romans ranged from virtual continuity of early bronze age populations in p...
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Ancient (aDNA) 43 3,174 01-17-2025, 01:56 AM
    Thread: new paper on iron age Britons
Post: new paper on iron age Britons

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41586-024-08409-6?
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alanarchae2
Ancient (aDNA) 43 3,174 01-17-2025, 01:39 AM
    Thread: The Genetic Origin of the Indo-Europeans
Post: RE: The Genetic Origin of the Indo-Europeans

This debate looks like it’s slightly edged toward in terms of ancient DNA and archaeological data but I think it’s fair to say that nobody is going to be able to claim the resultion with confidence un...
alanarchae2
alanarchae2
Ancient (aDNA) 3,647 289,176 01-11-2025, 08:10 PM
    Thread: The Genetic Origin of the Indo-Europeans
Post: RE: The Genetic Origin of the Indo-Europeans

targaryen Wrote: (01-11-2025, 05:59 AM) -- Archetype0ne Wrote: (01-11-2025, 04:27 AM) -- alanarchae2 Wrote: (01-10-2025, 02:00 PM) -- I kind of like the idea that both routes were used. Could it be...
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alanarchae2
Ancient (aDNA) 3,647 289,176 01-11-2025, 02:02 PM
    Thread: The Genetic Origin of the Indo-Europeans
Post: RE: The Genetic Origin of the Indo-Europeans

chitosechitose Wrote: (01-10-2025, 06:57 PM) -- targaryen Wrote: (01-10-2025, 06:50 PM) -- chitosechitose Wrote: (01-10-2025, 04:00 AM) -- Kartal is a Cernavoda I cemetery, genius. For EBA Thrac...
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Ancient (aDNA) 3,647 289,176 01-10-2025, 09:27 PM