H1 and its branches

[Capsian20]

H1q2a here.

Guessing your direct maternal ancestor came from Scandinavia to Spain quite a bit ago.

Is difficult to know this in fact history migrations mtDNA is very complicated and, as well TMRCA mtDNA on MTree isnt accurate

[okshtunas]

H1q2a here.

Guessing your direct maternal ancestor came from Scandinavia to Spain quite a bit ago.

Is difficult to know this in fact history migrations mtDNA is very complicated and, as well TMRCA mtDNA on MTree isnt accurate

Yea. My mtdna was found in 200BCE sample and yet they have TMRCA as 900ybp and formation as 1200ybp. They're at leads 1000-1400 years off lol

[Mokordo]

Guessing your direct maternal ancestor came from Scandinavia to Spain quite a bit ago.

A new sample has appeared, let's see if any flag appear, and which.

[Stefano]

I just recieved the results of MtComplete from YSEQ.
The closest match is H1do, however i have some extra mutations.

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https://www.yfull.com/mtree/H1do/

The only other members are one from La Spezia and two from unspecified italy, plus two without country.
It may be a small local branch, developed since the Neolithic in italy or Cisalpine area(estimated date 8800 ybp).
Unfortunately it is not found among any ancient sample, but maybe some of the etruscans H1 could belong to this, if they had a deeper assignement.
These are haplogrep results.


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https://haplogrep.i-med.ac.at/jobs/9oyR8...ZSV8Il0xX5
Can someone help me or give me additional informations?

[Stefano]

A quick update.
   
I uploaded my results to MTree, and also found the region of each sample in the supplementary data from the study where they were taken.
As i suspected the H1do branch has a cisalpine diffusion, with three samples from Liguria and three from Lombardy(including me).
I contacted Yfull and they kindly updated it, i hope they will also add the origin of the other 200 samples, but it may take some time.
In case someone is interested i leave here the direct link to dowload the supplementary file where the regions of origin are listed (table S1).
All the samples are from italy and belong to haplogroup H.
From the study "Helena’s Many Daughters: More Mitogenome Diversity behind the Most Common West Eurasian mtDNA Control Region Haplotype in an Extended Italian Population Sample"

https://www.mdpi.com/1422-0067/23/12/672...1655379264

[Mitchell-Atkins]

H1bt here. If my tree is correct, I can trace my line back to 1678 in colonial Virginia, so my line is probably of English origin.

[Mitchell-Atkins]

H1bt here.  If my tree is correct, I can trace my line back to 1678 in colonial Virginia, so my line is probably of English origin.

Just found an ancient H1bt

CGG023706 U152>L2>Z49>Z142>Z51>L562>Z57
Parançot_Tumulus, Bourgogne_Franche_Compt, 46.893572 5.836536 610-450 BC, -530 BC, IronAge  Hallstatt, H1bt

So this line may have spread via Celtic culture

[Stefano]

@Mitchell-Atkins
look on here:
https://adnaxp.github.io/
It lists 3 Sweden LN samples under H1bt. They belong to the Megalithic Culture if i'm not wrong.

[Mitchell-Atkins]

@Mitchell-Atkins
look on here:
https://adnaxp.github.io/
It lists 3 Sweden LN samples under H1bt. They belong to the Megalithic Culture if i'm not wrong.

Thanks!  That's a really helpful link.
One limitation of it is on the y-dna side is that it doesn't drill down very far. e.g. I looked up 5 ancient P312>U152>L2>Z49>Z142>Z150 and they're only identified as P312 or L151.

i.e. id R3747, R3918, I11712, I19873, IBE-161

[DeParis]

I recently did the mtFull sequence test with FTDNA and was assigned H1b3. The furthest I can trace back my maternal line is to a woman born in 1841 in Derry, Northern Ireland. H1b3 seems most prevalent in Ireland and the British Isles generally. 

   

It's also popped up so far in two ancient samples. 

   

[Poboitz]

It's also popped up so far in two ancient samples. 

That's a slick interface, may I ask which database?

[DeParis]

It's also popped up so far in two ancient samples. 

That's a slick interface, may I ask which database?

Look at post #23 for the link.

[Nictus]

My results have been recently updated to H1ar.
I've inherited it from my Spanish great grand mother which was originally from a little mountain village (Santa Maria de) Aldeaseca de la Frontera, near Salamanca.
It has a curious distribution between Spain, British Isles, Germany and then more frequent and with higher variability in France, Sweden and Canada but according to a study is present also in 4 samples from northern Pakistan and from an other study there is also an ethnic Turk from Turkey and it has apparently a bronze age TMRCA at least according to YFull

• H1arA183G * T16468C formed 8800 ybp, TMRCA 4500 ybp
  • H1ar*
    • id:MF591564.1
      
  • H1ar-a A183G formed 4500 ybp, TMRCA 3000 ybp
    • H1ar-a*
      • id:YF090372
        
      • id:YF006395SWE [SE-M]swe
        
    • H1ar1 A11890G * A16302G formed 3000 ybp, TMRCA 175 ybp
      • id:YF124619
        
        
      • id:YF123735
        
      • id:YF114712
        
      • id:YF104665
        
      • id:YF093099
        
      • id: PGPC3CAN
        
      • id:JQ704671.1
        
      • id:JQ704291.1
        

It was found in only one ancient sample: CP69 an Avaro-Slav burial in Cifer-Pac, Western Slovakia from the IX century A.D. with a predominantly East Asian Phenotype

[JMcB]

@Mitchell-Atkins
look on here:
https://adnaxp.github.io/
It lists 3 Sweden LN samples under H1bt. They belong to the Megalithic Culture if i'm not wrong.

Thanks for the tip, Stefano. That’s a nice tool!


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