Posts: 264
Threads: 3
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Gender: Male
Ethnicity: Italian
Nationality: Australian
Y-DNA (P): T1a2 - Y79536
Y-DNA (M): H95a
03-05-2024, 07:55 PM
(This post was last modified: 03-05-2024, 07:58 PM by Moeca .)
my line ................the samples are all "ancient " italians under the T-L131 branch
The bottom marker is my marker
Just above my marker is the Erspamer family line from 1735
Attached Files
t ydna chn.PNG (Size: 28.47 KB / Downloads: 174)
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Maternal side yDna branch is R1b - S8172
Paternal Grandfather mother's line is I1- Z131 - A9804
Veneto 75.8%, Austria 5%, Saarland 3.4%, Friuli 3.2%, Trentino 2.6%, Donau Schwaben 1%, Marche 0.8%
BC Ancient Sites I am connected to, Wels Austria, Sipar Istria and Aenona Dalmatia
Posts: 264
Threads: 3
Joined: Mar 2024
Gender: Male
Ethnicity: Italian
Nationality: Australian
Y-DNA (P): T1a2 - Y79536
Y-DNA (M): H95a
03-05-2024, 08:06 PM
(This post was last modified: 03-05-2024, 08:08 PM by Moeca .)
Erspamer sample ERS256892 matches myself in 39 assumed SNP or which 21 are confirmed SNP.
I7218 and I7224 are ancient sicilians from Himera
CL23 is an ancient Lombard sample
ERS256891 is Baldassare Erspamer b.1648 from Bolzano Italy who married Anna Cordin
still checking on NA20758, and ERR3555042
my non-Italians matches are from Walloon Belgium, Grand Est France, Saarland Germany, Cornwall England and south Ireland
A polish match has family buried in Stettin Poland and has origins from Thuringia Germany
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Maternal side yDna branch is R1b - S8172
Paternal Grandfather mother's line is I1- Z131 - A9804
Veneto 75.8%, Austria 5%, Saarland 3.4%, Friuli 3.2%, Trentino 2.6%, Donau Schwaben 1%, Marche 0.8%
BC Ancient Sites I am connected to, Wels Austria, Sipar Istria and Aenona Dalmatia
Posts: 264
Threads: 3
Joined: Mar 2024
Gender: Male
Ethnicity: Italian
Nationality: Australian
Y-DNA (P): T1a2 - Y79536
Y-DNA (M): H95a
Oldest T ydna samples found ...............for sure I missed many
https://umap.openstreetmap.fr/en/map/hap...6.77/38.28
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Maternal side yDna branch is R1b - S8172
Paternal Grandfather mother's line is I1- Z131 - A9804
Veneto 75.8%, Austria 5%, Saarland 3.4%, Friuli 3.2%, Trentino 2.6%, Donau Schwaben 1%, Marche 0.8%
BC Ancient Sites I am connected to, Wels Austria, Sipar Istria and Aenona Dalmatia
Posts: 264
Threads: 3
Joined: Mar 2024
Gender: Male
Ethnicity: Italian
Nationality: Australian
Y-DNA (P): T1a2 - Y79536
Y-DNA (M): H95a
(03-28-2024, 10:11 PM) Moeca Wrote: Oldest T ydna samples found ...............for sure I missed many
https://umap.openstreetmap.fr/en/map/hap...6.77/38.28
updated
https://umap.openstreetmap.fr/es/map/anc...6.30/36.30
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Maternal side yDna branch is R1b - S8172
Paternal Grandfather mother's line is I1- Z131 - A9804
Veneto 75.8%, Austria 5%, Saarland 3.4%, Friuli 3.2%, Trentino 2.6%, Donau Schwaben 1%, Marche 0.8%
BC Ancient Sites I am connected to, Wels Austria, Sipar Istria and Aenona Dalmatia
Posts: 987
Threads: 91
Joined: Sep 2023
Gender: Male
Ethnicity: Berber
Nationality: North Africa
Y-DNA (P): E-V257(×M81)
mtDNA (M): V
mtDNA (P): L2b
There new samples from Morocco back a 4300-4600 B.C from Skhirat belong a Haplogroup
T-L208 <Y37800 ( Im not sure about subclade i forget it ) this sample has ancestry Natufian and some ancestry North African ( Taforalt )
Target: Morocco_MN kh003__BC_4290__Cov_unknown
Distance: 3.6758% / 0.03675799
58.0 Levant_PPNB
28.2 MAR_Taforalt
9.4 WHG
4.4 Dinka
Target: Morocco_MN kh001__BC_4405__Cov_unknown
Distance: 2.9975% / 0.02997477
74.2 Levant_PPNB
23.0 MAR_Taforalt
2.2 WHG
0.6 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
Target: Morocco_MN kh002__BC_4665__Cov_unknown
Distance: 3.5702% / 0.03570189
69.6 Levant_PPNB
29.4 MAR_Taforalt
0.8 Dinka
0.2 WHG
Quote: Morocco_MN kh002__BC_4665__Cov_unknown,-0.007968,0.149283,-0.036204,-0.122095,0.032929,-0.052153,-0.033136,-0.009923,0.115965,0.011299,0.010718,-0.024878,0.049207,-0.011698,0.015336,-0.000796,0.002086,-0.022297,-0.037709,0.017759,-0.009109,-0.034994,0.013311,-0.008073,0.003473
Morocco_MN kh001__BC_4405__Cov_unknown,0.018212,0.149283,-0.026776,-0.118542,0.033852,-0.063587,-0.027966,-0.003923,0.101239,0.013303,0.015752,-0.025477,0.044747,-0.018029,0.015744,0.006629,0.009909,-0.019383,-0.032556,0.029639,-0.004492,-0.01793,0.016145,-0.00723,-0.002994
Morocco_MN kh003__BC_4290__Cov_unknown,-0.026179,0.138112,-0.005657,-0.094962,0.050163,-0.051037,-0.019506,0.008307,0.103489,0.00164,0.00406,-0.014687,0.050842,-0.013762,0.013979,-0.001326,-0.003781,-0.024958,-0.039721,0.038393,-0.005366,-0.028069,0.012571,-0.025546,-0.00455
Target: CapsianWGS_scaled
Distance: 1.2510% / 0.01251049
37.2 Iberomaurusian
36.8 Early_European_Farmer
12.8 Early_Levantine_Farmer
8.0 Steppe_Pastoralist
4.8 SSA
0.4 Iran_Neolithic
FTDNA : 91% North Africa +<2% Bedouin + <2 Southern-Levantinfo + <1 Sephardic Jewish + 3% Malta + 3% Iberian Peninsula
23andME : 100% North Africa
WGS ( Y-DNA and mtDNA)
Y-DNA : E-A30032< A30480 ~1610 CE
mtDNA : V12
Posts: 264
Threads: 3
Joined: Mar 2024
Gender: Male
Ethnicity: Italian
Nationality: Australian
Y-DNA (P): T1a2 - Y79536
Y-DNA (M): H95a
(04-22-2024, 08:49 PM) Capsian20 Wrote: There new samples from Morocco back a 4300-4600 B.C from Skhirat belong a Haplogroup T-L208 <Y37800 ( Im not sure about subclade i forget it ) this sample has ancestry Natufian and some ancestry North African ( Taforalt )
Target: Morocco_MN kh003__BC_4290__Cov_unknown
Distance: 3.6758% / 0.03675799
58.0 Levant_PPNB
28.2 MAR_Taforalt
9.4 WHG
4.4 Dinka
Target: Morocco_MN kh001__BC_4405__Cov_unknown
Distance: 2.9975% / 0.02997477
74.2 Levant_PPNB
23.0 MAR_Taforalt
2.2 WHG
0.6 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
Target: Morocco_MN kh002__BC_4665__Cov_unknown
Distance: 3.5702% / 0.03570189
69.6 Levant_PPNB
29.4 MAR_Taforalt
0.8 Dinka
0.2 WHG
Quote: Morocco_MN kh002__BC_4665__Cov_unknown,-0.007968,0.149283,-0.036204,-0.122095,0.032929,-0.052153,-0.033136,-0.009923,0.115965,0.011299,0.010718,-0.024878,0.049207,-0.011698,0.015336,-0.000796,0.002086,-0.022297,-0.037709,0.017759,-0.009109,-0.034994,0.013311,-0.008073,0.003473
Morocco_MN kh001__BC_4405__Cov_unknown,0.018212,0.149283,-0.026776,-0.118542,0.033852,-0.063587,-0.027966,-0.003923,0.101239,0.013303,0.015752,-0.025477,0.044747,-0.018029,0.015744,0.006629,0.009909,-0.019383,-0.032556,0.029639,-0.004492,-0.01793,0.016145,-0.00723,-0.002994
Morocco_MN kh003__BC_4290__Cov_unknown,-0.026179,0.138112,-0.005657,-0.094962,0.050163,-0.051037,-0.019506,0.008307,0.103489,0.00164,0.00406,-0.014687,0.050842,-0.013762,0.013979,-0.001326,-0.003781,-0.024958,-0.039721,0.038393,-0.005366,-0.028069,0.012571,-0.025546,-0.00455
Do they match this below
Kehf-el-Baroud ( 4950 yBP - Late Neolithic )
KEB.6 ( 4940 ± 30 yBP ) other: 5565 ± 65 yBP
Y-DNA:
T1a1a-L162 (x T1a1a2b-BY154181, T1a1a1a1-Y4119, T1a1a1a2a1a-BY28257, T1a1a1a2b1a-Y12642, T1a1a1b1a-Y18956)
mtDNA: K1a4a1
Genome-Wide Coverage: 0.14X
Wisc reads: 169,242,780
Other IDs: Library AEH161 / Museum KEB93.94 d2
Sample: Teeth
Autosomal Notes: Iberian origin.
Files:
FASTQ /
FASTQ&BAM (galaxy) / BAM (FASTQ=>mapped-BAM)
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Maternal side yDna branch is R1b - S8172
Paternal Grandfather mother's line is I1- Z131 - A9804
Veneto 75.8%, Austria 5%, Saarland 3.4%, Friuli 3.2%, Trentino 2.6%, Donau Schwaben 1%, Marche 0.8%
BC Ancient Sites I am connected to, Wels Austria, Sipar Istria and Aenona Dalmatia
Posts: 987
Threads: 91
Joined: Sep 2023
Gender: Male
Ethnicity: Berber
Nationality: North Africa
Y-DNA (P): E-V257(×M81)
mtDNA (M): V
mtDNA (P): L2b
(04-22-2024, 08:52 PM) Moeca Wrote: (04-22-2024, 08:49 PM) Capsian20 Wrote: There new samples from Morocco back a 4300-4600 B.C from Skhirat belong a Haplogroup T-L208 <Y37800 ( Im not sure about subclade i forget it ) this sample has ancestry Natufian and some ancestry North African ( Taforalt )
Target: Morocco_MN kh003__BC_4290__Cov_unknown
Distance: 3.6758% / 0.03675799
58.0 Levant_PPNB
28.2 MAR_Taforalt
9.4 WHG
4.4 Dinka
Target: Morocco_MN kh001__BC_4405__Cov_unknown
Distance: 2.9975% / 0.02997477
74.2 Levant_PPNB
23.0 MAR_Taforalt
2.2 WHG
0.6 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
Target: Morocco_MN kh002__BC_4665__Cov_unknown
Distance: 3.5702% / 0.03570189
69.6 Levant_PPNB
29.4 MAR_Taforalt
0.8 Dinka
0.2 WHG
Quote: Morocco_MN kh002__BC_4665__Cov_unknown,-0.007968,0.149283,-0.036204,-0.122095,0.032929,-0.052153,-0.033136,-0.009923,0.115965,0.011299,0.010718,-0.024878,0.049207,-0.011698,0.015336,-0.000796,0.002086,-0.022297,-0.037709,0.017759,-0.009109,-0.034994,0.013311,-0.008073,0.003473
Morocco_MN kh001__BC_4405__Cov_unknown,0.018212,0.149283,-0.026776,-0.118542,0.033852,-0.063587,-0.027966,-0.003923,0.101239,0.013303,0.015752,-0.025477,0.044747,-0.018029,0.015744,0.006629,0.009909,-0.019383,-0.032556,0.029639,-0.004492,-0.01793,0.016145,-0.00723,-0.002994
Morocco_MN kh003__BC_4290__Cov_unknown,-0.026179,0.138112,-0.005657,-0.094962,0.050163,-0.051037,-0.019506,0.008307,0.103489,0.00164,0.00406,-0.014687,0.050842,-0.013762,0.013979,-0.001326,-0.003781,-0.024958,-0.039721,0.038393,-0.005366,-0.028069,0.012571,-0.025546,-0.00455
Do they match this below
Kehf-el-Baroud ( 4950 yBP - Late Neolithic )
KEB.6 ( 4940 ± 30 yBP ) other: 5565 ± 65 yBP
Y-DNA: T1a1a-L162 (x T1a1a2b-BY154181, T1a1a1a1-Y4119, T1a1a1a2a1a-BY28257, T1a1a1a2b1a-Y12642, T1a1a1b1a-Y18956)
mtDNA: K1a4a1
Genome-Wide Coverage: 0.14X
Wisc reads: 169,242,780
Other IDs: Library AEH161 / Museum KEB93.94 d2
Sample: Teeth
Autosomal Notes: Iberian origin.
Files: FASTQ / FASTQ&BAM (galaxy) / BAM (FASTQ=>mapped-BAM)
No its new samples not sample KEB
Target: CapsianWGS_scaled
Distance: 1.2510% / 0.01251049
37.2 Iberomaurusian
36.8 Early_European_Farmer
12.8 Early_Levantine_Farmer
8.0 Steppe_Pastoralist
4.8 SSA
0.4 Iran_Neolithic
FTDNA : 91% North Africa +<2% Bedouin + <2 Southern-Levantinfo + <1 Sephardic Jewish + 3% Malta + 3% Iberian Peninsula
23andME : 100% North Africa
WGS ( Y-DNA and mtDNA)
Y-DNA : E-A30032< A30480 ~1610 CE
mtDNA : V12
Posts: 987
Threads: 91
Joined: Sep 2023
Gender: Male
Ethnicity: Berber
Nationality: North Africa
Y-DNA (P): E-V257(×M81)
mtDNA (M): V
mtDNA (P): L2b
KEB its Iberian ancestry but SKH its Near Eastern Ancestry
Target: CapsianWGS_scaled
Distance: 1.2510% / 0.01251049
37.2 Iberomaurusian
36.8 Early_European_Farmer
12.8 Early_Levantine_Farmer
8.0 Steppe_Pastoralist
4.8 SSA
0.4 Iran_Neolithic
FTDNA : 91% North Africa +<2% Bedouin + <2 Southern-Levantinfo + <1 Sephardic Jewish + 3% Malta + 3% Iberian Peninsula
23andME : 100% North Africa
WGS ( Y-DNA and mtDNA)
Y-DNA : E-A30032< A30480 ~1610 CE
mtDNA : V12
Posts: 264
Threads: 3
Joined: Mar 2024
Gender: Male
Ethnicity: Italian
Nationality: Australian
Y-DNA (P): T1a2 - Y79536
Y-DNA (M): H95a
(04-22-2024, 08:14 PM) Moeca Wrote: (03-28-2024, 10:11 PM) Moeca Wrote: Oldest T ydna samples found ...............for sure I missed many
https://umap.openstreetmap.fr/en/map/hap...6.77/38.28
updated
https://umap.openstreetmap.fr/es/map/anc...6.30/36.30
All samples are T1a1 branch ( T-L162 )
except
the North Caucasus which is T1a3 branch ...these are now usually found around the persian gulf from about 1500 years ago
and
the T1a2 branch ( T-L131) my branch is only the 2 viking samples and the north-italian sample in Lombardy
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Maternal side yDna branch is R1b - S8172
Paternal Grandfather mother's line is I1- Z131 - A9804
Veneto 75.8%, Austria 5%, Saarland 3.4%, Friuli 3.2%, Trentino 2.6%, Donau Schwaben 1%, Marche 0.8%
BC Ancient Sites I am connected to, Wels Austria, Sipar Istria and Aenona Dalmatia
Posts: 987
Threads: 91
Joined: Sep 2023
Gender: Male
Ethnicity: Berber
Nationality: North Africa
Y-DNA (P): E-V257(×M81)
mtDNA (M): V
mtDNA (P): L2b
Target: CapsianWGS_scaled
Distance: 1.2510% / 0.01251049
37.2 Iberomaurusian
36.8 Early_European_Farmer
12.8 Early_Levantine_Farmer
8.0 Steppe_Pastoralist
4.8 SSA
0.4 Iran_Neolithic
FTDNA : 91% North Africa +<2% Bedouin + <2 Southern-Levantinfo + <1 Sephardic Jewish + 3% Malta + 3% Iberian Peninsula
23andME : 100% North Africa
WGS ( Y-DNA and mtDNA)
Y-DNA : E-A30032< A30480 ~1610 CE
mtDNA : V12
Posts: 987
Threads: 91
Joined: Sep 2023
Gender: Male
Ethnicity: Berber
Nationality: North Africa
Y-DNA (P): E-V257(×M81)
mtDNA (M): V
mtDNA (P): L2b
there too samples from Island Canary (People Amazigh Guanches)
This samples of Guanches belong of Hg T-M184
CAN08 : T-M184
CAN011 : T-M184
CAN013 : T-M184
CAN049 : T-M70
CAN050 : T-M70
CAN052 : T-M70
North African ancestry
https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-023-40198-w
Target: CapsianWGS_scaled
Distance: 1.2510% / 0.01251049
37.2 Iberomaurusian
36.8 Early_European_Farmer
12.8 Early_Levantine_Farmer
8.0 Steppe_Pastoralist
4.8 SSA
0.4 Iran_Neolithic
FTDNA : 91% North Africa +<2% Bedouin + <2 Southern-Levantinfo + <1 Sephardic Jewish + 3% Malta + 3% Iberian Peninsula
23andME : 100% North Africa
WGS ( Y-DNA and mtDNA)
Y-DNA : E-A30032< A30480 ~1610 CE
mtDNA : V12
Posts: 264
Threads: 3
Joined: Mar 2024
Gender: Male
Ethnicity: Italian
Nationality: Australian
Y-DNA (P): T1a2 - Y79536
Y-DNA (M): H95a
04-22-2024, 09:41 PM
(This post was last modified: 04-22-2024, 09:42 PM by Moeca .)
I only have map from GeneticHomeland ( who seem to be closed now ) for my branch
strange that I have no slavic regardless of test
Attached Files
Thumbnail(s)
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Maternal side yDna branch is R1b - S8172
Paternal Grandfather mother's line is I1- Z131 - A9804
Veneto 75.8%, Austria 5%, Saarland 3.4%, Friuli 3.2%, Trentino 2.6%, Donau Schwaben 1%, Marche 0.8%
BC Ancient Sites I am connected to, Wels Austria, Sipar Istria and Aenona Dalmatia
Posts: 264
Threads: 3
Joined: Mar 2024
Gender: Male
Ethnicity: Italian
Nationality: Australian
Y-DNA (P): T1a2 - Y79536
Y-DNA (M): H95a
08-03-2024, 09:40 PM
(This post was last modified: 08-03-2024, 09:40 PM by Moeca .)
where FtDna places the creation of T ydna for the past 18 months
Sarıtaş is a village in the central district of Hakkâri Province in Turkey. The village is populated by Kurds of the Pinyanişî tribe and had a population of 235 in 2023. The hamlet of Kürüm is attached to Sarıtaş
Now to look for creation of haplogroup LT
Narrowed down to either Aral sea -Oxus river area Central Asia
or
Dagestan and south of this along the caspian sea
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Maternal side yDna branch is R1b - S8172
Paternal Grandfather mother's line is I1- Z131 - A9804
Veneto 75.8%, Austria 5%, Saarland 3.4%, Friuli 3.2%, Trentino 2.6%, Donau Schwaben 1%, Marche 0.8%
BC Ancient Sites I am connected to, Wels Austria, Sipar Istria and Aenona Dalmatia
Posts: 264
Threads: 3
Joined: Mar 2024
Gender: Male
Ethnicity: Italian
Nationality: Australian
Y-DNA (P): T1a2 - Y79536
Y-DNA (M): H95a
The only "ancients" I match with within my Haplogroup
Collegno ( 1350 yBP - Early Medieval ) Longobard Period
CL23 ( 1310 -1380 yBP )
Phase: I
Y-DNA: T1a2-CTS6071 (x Y21207, CTS7303)
mtDNA: H
Strontium isotope: Non-local
Diet (d13C%0 / d15N%0): -19.6 / 8.0 (Low Animal Protein)
Age at Death: Adult
Coverage: 2,952
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Varnhem ( 950 yBP - Viking Age )
VK398 ( 950 ± 100 yBP )
House/Phase:
Y-DNA: T1a2
mtDNA: H1b1+16362
Sr isotope:
Diet (d13C%0 / d15N%0):
Age at Death:
Death Position:
Other ID: 398, Sweden_Skara 231
Sample: Petrous
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Maternal side yDna branch is R1b - S8172
Paternal Grandfather mother's line is I1- Z131 - A9804
Veneto 75.8%, Austria 5%, Saarland 3.4%, Friuli 3.2%, Trentino 2.6%, Donau Schwaben 1%, Marche 0.8%
BC Ancient Sites I am connected to, Wels Austria, Sipar Istria and Aenona Dalmatia
Posts: 264
Threads: 3
Joined: Mar 2024
Gender: Male
Ethnicity: Italian
Nationality: Australian
Y-DNA (P): T1a2 - Y79536
Y-DNA (M): H95a
08-20-2024, 10:24 PM
(This post was last modified: 08-20-2024, 10:25 PM by Moeca .)
3 more ancient T ydna found in Varna Culture ( modern black sea Bulgaria )
Golden man is T1a1 haplogroup, while these 3 ancient samples are all under T1a2 haplogroup
VAR010 Bulgaria MT:U5a'b
VAR022 Bulgaria MT:H1e
VAR032 Bulgaria MT:K1a19
There is also 2 x T1a1 ydna in Malek Bulgaria ( on the Danube ) which are associated with the 4 X T1a1 neolithic samples from around the Harz mountains Germany ( Karsdorf and Derenberg )
These 3 ancient T-L446 samples are from North-Pontic area ...............not sure exactly where that is
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Maternal side yDna branch is R1b - S8172
Paternal Grandfather mother's line is I1- Z131 - A9804
Veneto 75.8%, Austria 5%, Saarland 3.4%, Friuli 3.2%, Trentino 2.6%, Donau Schwaben 1%, Marche 0.8%
BC Ancient Sites I am connected to, Wels Austria, Sipar Istria and Aenona Dalmatia