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Here's one who should be famous: Afontova Gora 2, one of the Ancient North Eurasians, like Mal'ta Boy, who belonged to the related R-M207 Y-DNA haplogroup. Afontova Gora 2 was Q-NGQ11.
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Here's another one, a favorite actor of mine, Lee Van Cleef. He was Q-L275. He's in FTDNA Discover's "Notable Connections".
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Excuse me for tossing in another ancient Q guy who isn't but should be famous, if for no other reason than I find him interesting. This one is listed in FTDNA Discover's Ancient Connections as " Vig Femhøve 744", 3626-3200 BC, an Ertebølle culture guy from Vig Femhøve, Zealand, Denmark. He was Q-Y2700 (Q-M242>MEH2>M346>Y4800>Y2700).
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Okay, since I am one of the self-appointed keepers of the Q-M242 Flame, although not Q-M242 myself (but thinking it's very cool), here's another ancient Q guy who isn't famous but should be. He is Nileke 3N and was Q-F2235 (M242>L275>NGQ1>F2235).
He was a member of the steppe pastoralist Afanasievo culture and thus an early Indo-European.
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I've always thought the Mongols are interesting, so here's an entry from FTDNA Discover's Notable Connections for the Mongol nobleman Korguz.
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(01-12-2024, 02:18 AM)rmstevens2 Wrote: Here's another one, a favorite actor of mine, Lee Van Cleef. He was Q-L275. He's in FTDNA Discover's "Notable Connections".
![[Image: Lee-Van-Cleef-Q-L275.jpg]](https://i.postimg.cc/52N9cv6r/Lee-Van-Cleef-Q-L275.jpg) Interesting looking at his family tree, all his great grandparents were born in New Jersey, and most going many generations more back in that state. Looks a slight majority of his ancestors will be Dutch and German with some English a little French also, many lines emigrating in the 17th century.
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(05-31-2024, 10:14 AM)Rufus191 Wrote: (01-12-2024, 02:18 AM)rmstevens2 Wrote: Here's another one, a favorite actor of mine, Lee Van Cleef. He was Q-L275. He's in FTDNA Discover's "Notable Connections".
![[Image: Lee-Van-Cleef-Q-L275.jpg]](https://i.postimg.cc/52N9cv6r/Lee-Van-Cleef-Q-L275.jpg) Interesting looking at his family tree, all his great grandparents were born in New Jersey, and most going many generations more back in that state. Looks a slight majority of his ancestors will be Dutch and German with some English a little French also, many lines emigrating in the 17th century.
Yeah, Q is kind of an odd clade in Europe. Just my opinion, but I think much of it was meditated by the early Indo-Europeans, although it was present in Neolithic Europe in cultures like Ertebølle, but not the same clade of Q that Lee Van Cleef belonged to. Anyway, we need more ancient DNA.
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(06-03-2024, 11:11 PM)rmstevens2 Wrote: (05-31-2024, 10:14 AM)Rufus191 Wrote: (01-12-2024, 02:18 AM)rmstevens2 Wrote: Here's another one, a favorite actor of mine, Lee Van Cleef. He was Q-L275. He's in FTDNA Discover's "Notable Connections".
![[Image: Lee-Van-Cleef-Q-L275.jpg]](https://i.postimg.cc/52N9cv6r/Lee-Van-Cleef-Q-L275.jpg) Interesting looking at his family tree, all his great grandparents were born in New Jersey, and most going many generations more back in that state. Looks a slight majority of his ancestors will be Dutch and German with some English a little French also, many lines emigrating in the 17th century.
Yeah, Q is kind of an odd clade in Europe. Just my opinion, but I think much of it was meditated by the early Indo-Europeans, although it was present in Neolithic Europe in cultures like Ertebølle, but not the same clade of Q that Lee Van Cleef belonged to. Anyway, we need more ancient DNA. I have a cousin with this, who is of Scottish ancestry on the male line. Apparently it is slightly less rare in Scandinavia so we speculated his Scottish ancestors may have originated there.
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(06-04-2024, 12:37 PM)Rufus191 Wrote: (06-03-2024, 11:11 PM)rmstevens2 Wrote: (05-31-2024, 10:14 AM)Rufus191 Wrote: Interesting looking at his family tree, all his great grandparents were born in New Jersey, and most going many generations more back in that state. Looks a slight majority of his ancestors will be Dutch and German with some English a little French also, many lines emigrating in the 17th century.
Yeah, Q is kind of an odd clade in Europe. Just my opinion, but I think much of it was meditated by the early Indo-Europeans, although it was present in Neolithic Europe in cultures like Ertebølle, but not the same clade of Q that Lee Van Cleef belonged to. Anyway, we need more ancient DNA. I have a cousin with this, who is of Scottish ancestry on the male line. Apparently it is slightly less rare in Scandinavia so we speculated his Scottish ancestors may have originated there.
Do you know if your cousin carries Q-L804? If so then I think it's quite likely that his paternal line is of Norse origin.
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(01-12-2024, 02:18 AM)rmstevens2 Wrote: Here's another one, a favorite actor of mine, Lee Van Cleef. He was Q-L275. He's in FTDNA Discover's "Notable Connections".
![[Image: Lee-Van-Cleef-Q-L275.jpg]](https://i.postimg.cc/52N9cv6r/Lee-Van-Cleef-Q-L275.jpg)
So, Angel Eyes was Y-DNA Q!?
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(05-31-2024, 10:14 AM)Rufus191 Wrote: (01-12-2024, 02:18 AM)rmstevens2 Wrote: Here's another one, a favorite actor of mine, Lee Van Cleef. He was Q-L275. He's in FTDNA Discover's "Notable Connections".
![[Image: Lee-Van-Cleef-Q-L275.jpg]](https://i.postimg.cc/52N9cv6r/Lee-Van-Cleef-Q-L275.jpg) Interesting looking at his family tree, all his great grandparents were born in New Jersey, and most going many generations more back in that state. Looks a slight majority of his ancestors will be Dutch and German with some English a little French also, many lines emigrating in the 17th century.
Hmmm.....that sounds familiar. Not the Q part , but the NJ and Dutch for many generations. I am about 2% colonial Dutch from NY/NJ, but because it was a close-knit group with many intermarriages, I have no trouble getting many autosomal (and X) matches back to that community.
So for fun  , I looked up his tree. We share at least one ancestor, Steven Coerts Van Voorhees, b1600 and Willemtjie Seubering, b1619. Lee Van Cleef has this couple at least 3X in his tree, whereas only once for me (8th gr gf). Tentatively, triple 9th cousins. But no Q connection, so my apologies for wandering a bit off topic.
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(06-04-2024, 03:53 PM)Mabrams Wrote: (05-31-2024, 10:14 AM)Rufus191 Wrote: (01-12-2024, 02:18 AM)rmstevens2 Wrote: Here's another one, a favorite actor of mine, Lee Van Cleef. He was Q-L275. He's in FTDNA Discover's "Notable Connections".
![[Image: Lee-Van-Cleef-Q-L275.jpg]](https://i.postimg.cc/52N9cv6r/Lee-Van-Cleef-Q-L275.jpg) Interesting looking at his family tree, all his great grandparents were born in New Jersey, and most going many generations more back in that state. Looks a slight majority of his ancestors will be Dutch and German with some English a little French also, many lines emigrating in the 17th century.
Hmmm.....that sounds familiar. Not the Q part , but the NJ and Dutch for many generations. I am about 2% colonial Dutch from NY/NJ, but because it was a close-knit group with many intermarriages, I have no trouble getting many autosomal (and X) matches back to that community.
So for fun , I looked up his tree. We share at least one ancestor, Steven Coerts Van Voorhees, b1600 and Willemtjie Seubering, b1619. Lee Van Cleef has this couple at least 3X in his tree, whereas only once for me (8th gr gf). Tentatively, triple 9th cousins. But no Q connection, so my apologies for wandering a bit off topic.
I have a lot of that same stuff, i.e., the NJ and NY Dutch folks. One of my 4th g-grandmothers was Amanda Snedeker (c. 1780), whose parents were Christian Snedeker and Aeltje Van Arsdale (Van Arsdalen), with a huge NJ and NY Dutch pedigree going way back to the first Dutch settlers in New Amsterdam. I have autosomal matches at Ancestry on some of those lines, including the Snedeker one.
A quick glance reveals a couple of Van Arsdalen lines in Lee Van Cleef's pedigree.
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