U5a2c3a
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I belong to mtDNA haplogroup U5a2c3a. I've had FTDNA's Full Genome Sequence and BritainsDNA's Chromo2, and that's what both of them said.

MtDNA testing hasn't been that productive for me on the genealogical front. My most distant mtDNA ancestor is my maternal great grandmother, born in 1878, and that's not all that far back. Here she is with her kids and a teenaged niece from her husband's side. That's my maternal grandmother on her lap.

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(11-03-2023, 03:53 AM)rmstevens2 Wrote: I belong to mtDNA haplogroup U5a2c3a. I've had FTDNA's Full Genome Sequence and BritainsDNA's Chromo2, and that's what both of them said.

MtDNA testing hasn't been that productive for me on the genealogical front. My most distant mtDNA ancestor is my maternal great grandmother, born in 1878, and that's not all that far back. Here she is with her kids and a teenaged niece from her husband's side. That's my maternal grandmother on her lap.

[Image: Lancaster-Nora-with-kids-and-niece-Katie-Morris.jpg]

Great i see there sample from Algeria maybe berber Aures OQ884814.1
Target: CapsianWGS_scaled
Distance: 1.2510% / 0.01251049
37.2 Iberomaurusian
36.8 Early_European_Farmer
12.8 Early_Levantine_Farmer
8.0 Steppe_Pastoralist
4.8 SSA
0.4 Iran_Neolithic
FTDNA : 91% North Africa +<2% Bedouin + <2  Southern-Levantinfo + <1 Sephardic Jewish + 3% Malta +  3%  Iberian Peninsula
23andME :  100% North Africa

WGS ( Y-DNA and mtDNA)
Y-DNA: E-A30032< A30480 ~1610 CE
mtDNA: V12
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#3
Here are some ancient U5a2c3a samples:

U5a2c3a Sample I1382 Moselle, France 2435-2136 BC Olalde et al 2018 Bell Beaker

U5a2c3a Sample I2597 Amesbury, Wiltshire, England 2280-2030 BC Olalde et al 2018 EBA

U5a2c3a Sample I2455 Cambridgeshire, England 2130-1910 BC Olalde 2018 Bell Beaker
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#4
There's a Mesolithic U5a2c3 sample from Blätterhöhle, Germany, dated to ~8652 BC. She's sample BLA20 from Bollongino et al, 2013.

That's the oldest U5a2c3 I know of (one step upstream from U5a2c3a).
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#5
Ancient U5a2c3a samples are cool, but they don't matter to me all that much. As I mentioned before, I can't get past a maternal great grandmother on my mtDNA line. 

I remember talking not too long ago with my mother about this. She mentioned how people out in the countryside back in those old days were buried in pine boxes without much fanfare or record keeping. That explains the story of my mtDNA maternal great grandmother and her husband, who were apparently dead by 1920. They came from Tennessee/northern Alabama to Arkansas and were farmers who lived out in the deep sticks. 

I just don't know what happened to them.
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(11-04-2023, 01:19 AM)rmstevens2 Wrote: Here are some ancient U5a2c3a samples:

U5a2c3a Sample I1382 Moselle, France 2435-2136 BC Olalde et al 2018 Bell Beaker

U5a2c3a Sample I2597 Amesbury, Wiltshire, England 2280-2030 BC Olalde et al 2018 EBA

U5a2c3a Sample I2455 Cambridgeshire, England 2130-1910 BC Olalde 2018 Bell Beaker

Of those three samples, even number two was probably a Beaker individual, but that sample is reported only as EBA (Early Bronze Age) because there were no Beaker artifacts included in the burial.

However, lest I become too excited by the Beaker thing, I recall that my mtDNA line dates back to native European hunter-gatherers, which is cool enough, I reckon.
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(01-20-2024, 10:03 PM)rmstevens2 Wrote:
(11-04-2023, 01:19 AM)rmstevens2 Wrote: Here are some ancient U5a2c3a samples:

U5a2c3a Sample I1382 Moselle, France 2435-2136 BC Olalde et al 2018 Bell Beaker

U5a2c3a Sample I2597 Amesbury, Wiltshire, England 2280-2030 BC Olalde et al 2018 EBA

U5a2c3a Sample I2455 Cambridgeshire, England 2130-1910 BC Olalde 2018 Bell Beaker

Of those three samples, even number two was probably a Beaker individual, but that sample is reported only as EBA (Early Bronze Age) because there were no Beaker artifacts included in the burial.

However, lest I become too excited by the Beaker thing, I recall that my mtDNA line dates back to native European hunter-gatherers, which is cool enough, I reckon.

your male line is also from european hunter. R1b was among WHG and EHG thousand and thousand of years before steppe ancestry and BBC existed.
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(01-20-2024, 11:02 PM)old europe Wrote:
(01-20-2024, 10:03 PM)rmstevens2 Wrote:
(11-04-2023, 01:19 AM)rmstevens2 Wrote: Here are some ancient U5a2c3a samples:

U5a2c3a Sample I1382 Moselle, France 2435-2136 BC Olalde et al 2018 Bell Beaker

U5a2c3a Sample I2597 Amesbury, Wiltshire, England 2280-2030 BC Olalde et al 2018 EBA

U5a2c3a Sample I2455 Cambridgeshire, England 2130-1910 BC Olalde 2018 Bell Beaker

Of those three samples, even number two was probably a Beaker individual, but that sample is reported only as EBA (Early Bronze Age) because there were no Beaker artifacts included in the burial.

However, lest I become too excited by the Beaker thing, I recall that my mtDNA line dates back to native European hunter-gatherers, which is cool enough, I reckon.

your male line is also from european hunter. R1b was among WHG and EHG thousand and thousand of years before steppe ancestry and BBC existed.

All our Y-DNA lines were HG at some point. See this thread.

I'm definitely interested in that phase of things. In fact, I wish they hadn't killed all the Woolly Mammoths. I would like to be able to ride one.
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(01-20-2024, 11:07 PM)rmstevens2 Wrote:
(01-20-2024, 11:02 PM)old europe Wrote:
(01-20-2024, 10:03 PM)rmstevens2 Wrote:
(11-04-2023, 01:19 AM)rmstevens2 Wrote: Here are some ancient U5a2c3a samples:

U5a2c3a Sample I1382 Moselle, France 2435-2136 BC Olalde et al 2018 Bell Beaker

U5a2c3a Sample I2597 Amesbury, Wiltshire, England 2280-2030 BC Olalde et al 2018 EBA

U5a2c3a Sample I2455 Cambridgeshire, England 2130-1910 BC Olalde 2018 Bell Beaker

Of those three samples, even number two was probably a Beaker individual, but that sample is reported only as EBA (Early Bronze Age) because there were no Beaker artifacts included in the burial.

However, lest I become too excited by the Beaker thing, I recall that my mtDNA line dates back to native European hunter-gatherers, which is cool enough, I reckon.

your male line is also from european hunter. R1b was among WHG and EHG thousand and thousand of years before steppe ancestry and BBC existed.

All our Y-DNA lines were HG at some point. See this thread.

I'm definitely interested in that phase of things. In fact, I wish they hadn't killed all the Woolly Mammoths. I would like to be able to ride one.

Hello @rmstevens2, isn't there any map ancient about mtDNA Haplogroup U5?
Target: CapsianWGS_scaled
Distance: 1.2510% / 0.01251049
37.2 Iberomaurusian
36.8 Early_European_Farmer
12.8 Early_Levantine_Farmer
8.0 Steppe_Pastoralist
4.8 SSA
0.4 Iran_Neolithic
FTDNA : 91% North Africa +<2% Bedouin + <2  Southern-Levantinfo + <1 Sephardic Jewish + 3% Malta +  3%  Iberian Peninsula
23andME :  100% North Africa

WGS ( Y-DNA and mtDNA)
Y-DNA: E-A30032< A30480 ~1610 CE
mtDNA: V12
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#10
I don't know of any map of ancient U5 results, just generic U5 modern distribution maps.
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#11
My father's maternal line disappears from record in post-Revolutionary Appalachian Tennessee; due to the testing of a cousin I am fairly certain it is T2b3, which is broadly Western European. My own line I can trace back to the old country, which in this case is Ireland; my maternal grandmother's maternal grandmother was born in western County Waterford and her mother was from Tipperary.
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(01-22-2024, 03:02 PM)Vinitharya Wrote: My father's maternal line disappears from record in post-Revolutionary Appalachian Tennessee; due to the testing of a cousin I am fairly certain it is T2b3, which is broadly Western European.  My own line I can trace back to the old country, which in this case is Ireland; my maternal grandmother's maternal grandmother was born in western County Waterford and her mother was from Tipperary.

This mtDNA Haplogroup (T) its linked a Neolithic Farmers Anatolian
Target: CapsianWGS_scaled
Distance: 1.2510% / 0.01251049
37.2 Iberomaurusian
36.8 Early_European_Farmer
12.8 Early_Levantine_Farmer
8.0 Steppe_Pastoralist
4.8 SSA
0.4 Iran_Neolithic
FTDNA : 91% North Africa +<2% Bedouin + <2  Southern-Levantinfo + <1 Sephardic Jewish + 3% Malta +  3%  Iberian Peninsula
23andME :  100% North Africa

WGS ( Y-DNA and mtDNA)
Y-DNA: E-A30032< A30480 ~1610 CE
mtDNA: V12
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#13
I'm interested in my mtDNA line, but it's the slowest moving thing in all of genetic genealogy. 

Kind of like watching paint dry or grass grow.
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(01-20-2024, 11:02 PM)old europe Wrote:
(01-20-2024, 10:03 PM)rmstevens2 Wrote:
(11-04-2023, 01:19 AM)rmstevens2 Wrote: Here are some ancient U5a2c3a samples:
U5a2c3a Sample I1382 Moselle, France 2435-2136 BC Olalde et al 2018 Bell Beaker
U5a2c3a Sample I2597 Amesbury, Wiltshire, England 2280-2030 BC Olalde et al 2018 EBA
U5a2c3a Sample I2455 Cambridgeshire, England 2130-1910 BC Olalde 2018 Bell Beaker

Of those three samples, even number two was probably a Beaker individual, but that sample is reported only as EBA (Early Bronze Age) because there were no Beaker artifacts included in the burial.
However, lest I become too excited by the Beaker thing, I recall that my mtDNA line dates back to native European hunter-gatherers, which is cool enough, I reckon.

your male line is also from european hunter. R1b was among WHG and EHG thousand and thousand of years before steppe ancestry and BBC existed.

I don't think we can say that for R1b.  To be clear, I am not fully in disagreement with what you said, just that IMO an old line like R1b can't be labelled WHG or even EHG.  Utimately, IMO, R1b is from an ANE population that merged into the WHG forming the EHG. 

The oldest WHG sample with an R1b ancestor is still the 14000 year old Villabruna sample tested in ~2016 - eight years back. 

And even then there were indicators that he was not fully of the WHG type.

"We were surprised to find haplogroup R1b in the ~14,000-year-old Villabruna individual from Italy. While the predominance of R1b in western Europe today is owes its origin to Bronze Age migrations from the eastern European steppe9, its presence in Villabruna and in a ~7,000-year-old farmer from Iberia9 document a deeper history of this haplotype in more western parts of Europe."   "The “Villabruna Cluster” is composed of 13 post-Ice Age individuals from 14,000-7,000 years ago, associated with the Azilian, Epipaleolithic and Mesolithic cultures."   "from the time of Kostenki14 about 37,000 years ago until the time of the Villabruna Cluster about 14,000 years ago, all individuals seem to derive from a single ancestral population with no evidence of substantial genetic influx from elsewhere."
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4943878/
"Villabruna 1, more then the majority of his contemporaries, retains climatic adaptation typical of the ancestral African population."
https://www.isita-org.com/jass/Contents/...elotti.pdf
"Villabruna specimen also has transitions at 16069, 16126, 16145 and 16222, and falls within a different haplogroup, J."
https://www.eva.mpg.de/documents/Nature/...556220.pdf
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I guess the " ~7,000-year-old farmer from Iberia" is Els Trocs, sample I0410, who was V88. We know PF6323 (the father clade of V88) was evidently the first Y-DNA R1b group to move west into peninsular Europe. See this thread.

Villabruna 1 was R1b-L761 xL389, P297 at a time when L389 and its "son" P297 both already existed, so evidently Villabruna 1 belonged to a dead-end Y-DNA lineage with no modern descendants. 

I've posted this before, but here's something Davidski wrote over at Eurogenes back in 2016:

Quote:- Villabruna is a sister clade of the earlier European Vestonice clade, but with significant input from an AfontovaGora3-related North Eurasian population, perhaps one that was living north of the Black Sea after the Kostenki people went the way of the dodo

- Hence, the R1b lineage carried by Villabruna I9030, the individual in this Treemix series, probably comes from the Eurasian steppe"

Eurogenes Blog: Villabruna
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