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Living DNA - mtDNA update?
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I received this e-mail today - I checked my myDNA result and there was no change. Has anyone had any change to their results?

'We have updated our mtDNA (motherline) haplogroup assignments to match the latest version of the research on mtDNA (Phylotree 17 - Forensic Update, version 1.2). Alongside the update, we've refined our assignment method. The new analysis is based on "Haplogrep v3" (a tool used to classify mtDNA), as well we our in-house refinement methods. All of this work has brought our mtDNA analysis right up to current research standards, meaning that if you've seen a change to your result you can rest assured that it's still based on the same DNA, but is now more precise and more accurate'. rate. 
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(12-29-2024, 07:09 PM)PaulH01 Wrote: I received this e-mail today - I checked my myDNA result and there was no change. Has anyone had any change to their results?

'We have updated our mtDNA (motherline) haplogroup assignments to match the latest version of the research on mtDNA (Phylotree 17 - Forensic Update, version 1.2). Alongside the update, we've refined our assignment method. The new analysis is based on "Haplogrep v3" (a tool used to classify mtDNA), as well we our in-house refinement methods. All of this work has brought our mtDNA analysis right up to current research standards, meaning that if you've seen a change to your result you can rest assured that it's still based on the same DNA, but is now more precise and more accurate'. rate. 

Mine hasn't changed but it was already at H6a1b2.
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Ancestry: Ireland (Paper trail = 81.25% Roscommon, 12.5% Galway, 6.25% Mayo)
Y-DNA (P) ancestor: Kelly b. c1830 in Co. Roscommon (Uí Maine)
mtDNA (P) ancestor: Fleming b. c1831 in Co. Roscommon 
mtDNA (M) ancestor: McDermott b. c1814 in Co. Roscommon
mtDNA Great grandfather: Connella b. c1798 in Co. Roscommon (T2a1a8)
Y-DNA 2x great grandfather: Higgins b. c1816 in Co. Roscommon (R-DF109)
Y-DNA 3x great grandfather: Fleming b. c1829 in Co. Roscommon (R-Z23534)
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I'm more excited over how they mentioned a new autosomal update that should be happening at the beginning of next year.

Nothing new when it comes to my assigned haplogroups.
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#4
Indeed the haplotype is updated further downstream in my results.
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#5
I received the update, about two months ago.


My update went from T1a1 to T1a1+@152
Not familiar with the new format. 

On Full mtDNA at FTDNA, I am T1a1p, but I dont see how "@152" is related to the "p".

Maybe the new format is a preview of the new FTDNA mtDNA haplotree coming "soon", although it looks more like updating of a current haplotree.

I am tested on both versions of LivingDNA and the update was applied to both.

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Opinion.... LivingDNA makes a big mistake by severely restricting the public view of mtDNA and Y haplotypes.  Public Display should be the default option, with opting-out available, at least for all new kits. 

(btw, my Y haplotype  at LivingDNA is the best of any site, outside of the BigY, although only on the second chip).
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There’s been no change for me. I’m still at the rather basic assignment of H1. Family Tree lists my Haplogroup as H1e2 and YFull now has it at H1e2g. While 23&me gives me H1e.
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Paper Trail: 42% English, 31.5% Scottish, 12.5% Irish, 6.25% German, 6.25% Sicilian & 1.5% French.
LDNA©: Britain & Ireland: 89.3% (51.5% English, 37.8% Scottish & Irish), N.W. Germanic: 7.8%, Europe South: 2.9% (Southern Italy & Sicily)
BigY 700: I1-Z141 >F2642 >Y3649 >Y7198 (c.349 AD) >Y168300 (c.385 AD) >A13248 (c.868 AD) >A13252 (c.1047 AD) >FT81015 (c.1277 AD) >A13243 (c.1620 AD) >FT80854 (c.1700 AD) >FT80630 (1893 AD).
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My LivingDNA Mtdna results have been updated some weeks ago from H1 to H1ar
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Earlier in this thread, message #5, I cited my confusion over the "@152"

I am still confused, ?‍? but in this DNA-Explained post from several years ago, Roberta Estes does discuss T152C. Apparently it is a very common mutation, perhaps too common. Found in 197 different branches.


https://dna-explained.com/2019/06/06/mit...unraveled/
Scroll way down, or better yet, search on 'T152C'

FTDNA does not list T152C on my mutation list, so still not sure what LivingDNA is trying to say, and whether or not Roberta's discussion is relevant.
To get to my haplotype, my mtDNA path does go through T1a-T152C!

Maybe the new FTDNA MitoTree will clarify the above. One can hope.
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(01-30-2025, 08:05 PM)Mabrams Wrote: Earlier in this thread, message #5, I cited my confusion over the "@152"

I am still confused,  ?‍? but in this DNA-Explained post from several years ago, Roberta Estes does discuss T152C.  Apparently it is a very common mutation, perhaps too common.  Found in 197 different  branches. 


https://dna-explained.com/2019/06/06/mit...unraveled/
Scroll way down, or better yet, search on 'T152C'

FTDNA does not list T152C on my mutation list, so still not sure what LivingDNA is trying to say, and whether or not Roberta's discussion is relevant. 
To get to my haplotype, my mtDNA path does go through T1a-T152C!

Maybe the new FTDNA MitoTree will clarify the above.  One can hope.

This interesting , do you think this is a random mutation, since you said this mutation very common its found in 197 branches
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Target: CapsianWGS_scaled
Distance: 1.2510% / 0.01251049
37.2 Iberomaurusian
36.8 Early_European_Farmer
12.8 Early_Levantine_Farmer
8.0 Steppe_Pastoralist
4.8 SSA
0.4 Iran_Neolithic
FTDNA : 91% North Africa +<2% Bedouin + <2  Southern-Levantinfo + <1 Sephardic Jewish + 3% Malta +  3%  Iberian Peninsula
23andME :  100% North Africa

WGS ( Y-DNA and mtDNA)
Y-DNA: E-A30032< A30480 ~1610 CE
mtDNA: V12
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Depends on how you treat "random"

From that blog

"Outside of a haplogroup, it<T152C>’s  just a chance parallel mutation in both lines."

So if someone is in H or J and has this mutation and I am in T, it's not very important.  That's my take.
But who knows, maybe the new MitoTree will use this mutation to create new sub-branches.

I don't see this mutation anywhere in your V, at least not with a quick look.
(My family are all V, so I try to pay attention to V).

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Still not sure why LivingDNA flagged this mutation. There is no explanation there.
if it's so darn common, why bother to make a big deal about it???
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(01-30-2025, 09:40 PM)Mabrams Wrote: Depends on how you treat "random"

From that blog

"Outside of a haplogroup, it<T152C>’s  just a chance parallel mutation in both lines."

So if someone is in H or J and has this mutation and I am in T, it's not very important.  That's my take.
But who knows, maybe the new MitoTree will use this mutation to create new sub-branches. 

I don't see this mutation anywhere in your V, at least not with a quick look.
(My family are all V, so I try to pay attention to V).

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Still not sure why LivingDNA flagged this mutation.  There is no explanation there.

Thanks you for this explained , no i dont find this mutation in Hg V
interesting , what subclade your family under V
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Target: CapsianWGS_scaled
Distance: 1.2510% / 0.01251049
37.2 Iberomaurusian
36.8 Early_European_Farmer
12.8 Early_Levantine_Farmer
8.0 Steppe_Pastoralist
4.8 SSA
0.4 Iran_Neolithic
FTDNA : 91% North Africa +<2% Bedouin + <2  Southern-Levantinfo + <1 Sephardic Jewish + 3% Malta +  3%  Iberian Peninsula
23andME :  100% North Africa

WGS ( Y-DNA and mtDNA)
Y-DNA: E-A30032< A30480 ~1610 CE
mtDNA: V12
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#12
Just plain V, based upon 23andMe v5.  

After the MitoTree, MitoDiscover and other mitochondrial things take effect at FTDNA, I will probably spring for a Full mtDNA for a V family member.

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No guarantee on my explanations above re T152C and the @152 from LivingDNA etc. 

I am just putting one foot in front of the other.
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(01-31-2025, 02:00 AM)Mabrams Wrote: Just plain V, based upon 23andMe v5.  

After the MitoTree, MitoDiscover and other mitochondrial things take effect at FTDNA, I will probably spring for a Full mtDNA for a V family member.

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No guarantee on my explanations above re T152C and the @152 from LivingDNA etc. 

I am just putting one foot in front of the other.

I was looking in variants in mtDNA T1, i see you subclade (T1a1p) is under T1a-T152C! its possible cause this Living mtDNA its classify you are (T1a1+@152)
https://www.familytreedna.com/public/mt-...L83VCs3idE
Ah i was think they are get V* in mtfull sequence in FTDNA , it looks like we are eagerly waiting for that MitoTree and MitoDiscover
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Target: CapsianWGS_scaled
Distance: 1.2510% / 0.01251049
37.2 Iberomaurusian
36.8 Early_European_Farmer
12.8 Early_Levantine_Farmer
8.0 Steppe_Pastoralist
4.8 SSA
0.4 Iran_Neolithic
FTDNA : 91% North Africa +<2% Bedouin + <2  Southern-Levantinfo + <1 Sephardic Jewish + 3% Malta +  3%  Iberian Peninsula
23andME :  100% North Africa

WGS ( Y-DNA and mtDNA)
Y-DNA: E-A30032< A30480 ~1610 CE
mtDNA: V12
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