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G25 Armenian collection
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G25 Armenian collection

We've assembled a comprehensive and continuously updated set of modern Armenian G25 coordinates, pooling together publicly available samples and 24 new anonymised individuals.

Coordinates are available as individuals, group averages and regional averages.

We also corrected erroneously labelled samples from the Davidski data, so it's encouraged you to replace your Davidski Armenian individuals and averages with these until his next update.

You can download the coordinates here: https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fo/89bo3tcf5...sgh8y&dl=0
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Mom and her brother have one Armenian (I believe) great-grandparent, and the rest are all from different places in modern Lebanon.
Usually Mom seems to have more Armenian, but sample SAS03 seems possibly Levant-like:

Target: Dewsloth_Uncle_scaled
Distance: 1.0815% / 0.01081509
31.2 Lebanese_Christian
21.2 Armenian_Sasun:SAS03
7.8 Armenian_Van:VAN05
7.8 Sardinian
6.4 Samaritan
6.2 Armenian_Sasun:SAS06
5.2 Yemenite_Ma'rib
3.8 Armenian_Syunik:Khndzoresk2
3.4 Saudi_Jizan
2.0 Armenian_Sasun:SAS01
2.0 Egyptian_Copt
1.6 Armenian_Ararat:GRC11054318
1.0 Armenian_Bayazet:BYZ04
0.4 Igorot

Distance to: Dewsloth_Uncle_scaled
0.01451986 Lebanese_Maronite_Christian_Zgharta
0.01519057 Lebanese_Orthodox_Christian_Koura
0.01552815 Lebanese_Christian
0.01610179 Lebanese_Sunni_Muslim_Dinniyeh
0.01632020 Druze
0.01788202 Lebanese_Druze
0.02004827 Alawite
0.02517202 Lebanese_Shia_Muslim_Beirut
0.02547753 Karaite_Egypt
0.02761396 Lebanese_Muslim
0.02786044 Syrian_Jew
0.02825672 Palestinian_Beit_Sahour
0.03135482 Iraqi_Jew
0.03149411 Syrian_Hama
0.03225364 Cypriot
0.03515420 Kurdish_Jew
0.03559348 Samaritan
0.03642992 Karaite_Iraq
0.03700434 Lebanese_Sunni_Muslim_Beirut
0.03701534 Armenian_Sasun:SAS03
0.03710528 Chaldean_Iraq
0.03711857 Armenian_Urfa:Urfa010
0.03852888 Assyrian_Mardin
0.04023802 Nash_Didan_Jew_Urmia
0.04044275 Mountain_Jew_Dagestan


Target: DewslothMom_scaled
Distance: 0.9082% / 0.00908155
27.8 Palestinian_Beit_Sahour
25.4 Samaritan
14.4 Armenian_Gesaria:Evereg003
6.4 Armenian_Javakhk:ARM4
5.8 Armenian_Erzurum:ERZ7
5.4 Armenian_Hamshen:ARK-88
5.4 Sardinian
2.6 Yemenite_Al_Jawf
2.4 Armenian_Ararat:GRC11054325
1.4 Armenian_Ararat:GRC11054329
1.4 Armenian_Erzurum:Erzurum27
0.8 Armenian_Aintab:Aintab002
0.4 Yakut_Sakha
0.2 Ju_hoan_North
0.2 Mbuti

Distance to: DewslothMom_scaled
0.01677609 Druze
0.01811226 Lebanese_Maronite_Christian_Zgharta
0.01902590 Lebanese_Orthodox_Christian_Koura
0.01909068 Lebanese_Sunni_Muslim_Dinniyeh
0.01967478 Lebanese_Druze
0.02020857 Lebanese_Christian
0.02170449 Alawite
0.02539444 Palestinian_Beit_Sahour
0.02567264 Lebanese_Shia_Muslim_Beirut
0.02737551 Syrian_Hama
0.02810172 Lebanese_Muslim
0.02922002 Karaite_Egypt
0.03063424 Syrian_Jew
0.03142213 Cypriot
0.03343785 Assyrian_Mardin
0.03365178 Iraqi_Jew
0.03414071 Kurdish_Jew
0.03420358 Armenian_Sasun:SAS03
0.03528080 Chaldean_Iraq
0.03673560 Armenian_Urfa:Urfa006
0.03701952 Armenian_Urfa:Urfa010
0.03815197 Armenian_Sasun:SAS02
0.03839808 Karaite_Iraq
0.03865556 Lebanese_Sunni_Muslim_Beirut
0.03918816 Nash_Didan_Jew_Urmia
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R1b>M269>L23>L51>L11>P312>DF19>DF88>FGC11833 >S4281>S4268>Z17112>FT354149

Ancestors: Francis Cooke (M223/I2a2a) b1583; Hester Mahieu (Cooke) (J1c2 mtDNA) b.1584; Richard Warren (E-M35) b1578; Elizabeth Walker (Warren) (H1j mtDNA) b1583; John Mead (I2a1/P37.2) b1634; Rev. Joseph Hull (I1, L1301+ L1302-) b1595; Benjamin Harrington (M223/I2a2a-Y5729) b1618; Joshua Griffith (L21>DF13) b1593; John Wing (U106>Z8>Z1) b1584; John Howland (U106>Z8>Z1) b1593; Elizabeth Tilley (Howland) (H1a1 mtDNA) b1607; Thomas Gunn (DF19) b1605; Hermann Wilhelm (DF19) b1635
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could you share the sources in your calculator ? what do you mean by uppermeso_halaf ? is it anatolian ppn Cayonu ? if yes then most of them are very low quality
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(12-27-2024, 02:39 AM)Арсен Wrote: could you share the sources in your calculator ? what do you mean by uppermeso_halaf ? is it anatolian ppn Cayonu ? if yes then most of them are very low quality

UpperMeso_Halaf is NevaliCori PPN + Cayonu + Tell Kurdu EC. Yes, the Cayonus are low quality but averaged together with Tell Kurdu I've found they produce a stable source for modelling South Caucasians and northern West Asians. A Halaf or pre-Halaf source is necessary to properly model this region but if you use any of the individual averages by themselves they become unstable in calculators and are inconsistently absorbed by other sources even when modelling related similar populations. Combining them in this way is the only one I've found that behaves consistently.

Code:
UpperMeso_Halaf_N(n=20),0.0899772,0.1607075,-0.0385606,-0.1066551,0.0070629,-0.0430189,-0.0054874,-0.0065651,0.0045916,0.0326931,0.0122522,-0.0002173,-0.0025866,0.0031584,-0.0303065,-0.0093011,0.0125625,0.0038957,0.0124378,0.0023011,-0.0047916,0.0169899,-0.0041534,-0.0105014,-0.0002693
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"Mom and her brother have one Armenian (I believe) great-grandparent, and the rest are all from different places in modern Lebanon."

^^ Quick clarification because it's too late to edit:  That should have read that the other 7 great-grandparents were from different places in what is now modern Lebanon -- all of Mom's four grandparents were in the US (Toledo) by 1905; her Armenian/Lebanese grandmother was born in Toledo in the 1890's.
R1b>M269>L23>L51>L11>P312>DF19>DF88>FGC11833 >S4281>S4268>Z17112>FT354149

Ancestors: Francis Cooke (M223/I2a2a) b1583; Hester Mahieu (Cooke) (J1c2 mtDNA) b.1584; Richard Warren (E-M35) b1578; Elizabeth Walker (Warren) (H1j mtDNA) b1583; John Mead (I2a1/P37.2) b1634; Rev. Joseph Hull (I1, L1301+ L1302-) b1595; Benjamin Harrington (M223/I2a2a-Y5729) b1618; Joshua Griffith (L21>DF13) b1593; John Wing (U106>Z8>Z1) b1584; John Howland (U106>Z8>Z1) b1593; Elizabeth Tilley (Howland) (H1a1 mtDNA) b1607; Thomas Gunn (DF19) b1605; Hermann Wilhelm (DF19) b1635
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