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mtDNA Hg V12 in people Native American ?
#1
I have been seen in Haplotree mtDNA in FTDNA there 5 samples from USA but they are Native American
I know this mtDNA V its not local a America and is clearly is source Euroupean but is British or Germany?
   
Target: CapsianWGS_scaled
Distance: 1.2510% / 0.01251049
37.2 Iberomaurusian
36.8 Early_European_Farmer
12.8 Early_Levantine_Farmer
8.0 Steppe_Pastoralist
4.8 SSA
0.4 Iran_Neolithic
FTDNA : 91% North Africa +<2% Bedouin + <2  Southern-Levantinfo + <1 Sephardic Jewish + 3% Malta +  3%  Iberian Peninsula
23andME :  100% North Africa

WGS ( Y-DNA and mtDNA)
Y-DNA: E-A30032< A30480 ~1610 CE
mtDNA: V12
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(09-25-2024, 11:01 AM)Capsian20 Wrote: I have been seen in Haplotree mtDNA in FTDNA there 5 samples from USA but they are Native American
I know this mtDNA V its not local a America and is clearly is source Euroupean but is British or Germany?

Intriguing. I guess we can't say although knowing which area of the US they're from might give a small clue. I see V12 looks Danish and English on YFull.
Y: I1 Z140+ FT354410+; mtDNA: V78
Recent tree: mainly West Country England and Southeast Wales
Y line: Peak District, c.1300. Swedish IA/VA matches; last = 715AD YFull, 849AD FTDNA
mtDNA: Llanvihangel Pont-y-moile, 1825
Mother's Y: R-BY11922+; Llanvair Discoed, 1770
Avatar: Welsh Borders hillfort, 1980s
Anthrogenica member 2015-23
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#3
Comparing the two haplotrees really highlights how far behind FTDNA is with mtDNA and I hope the promised revamp comes soon.

https://www.familytreedna.com/public/mt-dna-haplotree/V

https://www.yfull.com/mtree/V/

Did FTDNA just give you a straight V like they did with me? I'm still very happy that YFull not only gave me V78 but then found samples from medical papers to join me there.
Y: I1 Z140+ FT354410+; mtDNA: V78
Recent tree: mainly West Country England and Southeast Wales
Y line: Peak District, c.1300. Swedish IA/VA matches; last = 715AD YFull, 849AD FTDNA
mtDNA: Llanvihangel Pont-y-moile, 1825
Mother's Y: R-BY11922+; Llanvair Discoed, 1770
Avatar: Welsh Borders hillfort, 1980s
Anthrogenica member 2015-23
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#4
(09-25-2024, 07:15 PM)JonikW Wrote: Comparing the two haplotrees really highlights how far behind FTDNA is with mtDNA and I hope the promised revamp comes soon.

https://www.familytreedna.com/public/mt-dna-haplotree/V

https://www.yfull.com/mtree/V/

Did FTDNA just give you a straight V like they did with me? I'm still very happy that YFull not only gave me V78 but then found samples from medical papers to join me there.

hello no FTDNA ots gave me Haplogroup V12
Target: CapsianWGS_scaled
Distance: 1.2510% / 0.01251049
37.2 Iberomaurusian
36.8 Early_European_Farmer
12.8 Early_Levantine_Farmer
8.0 Steppe_Pastoralist
4.8 SSA
0.4 Iran_Neolithic
FTDNA : 91% North Africa +<2% Bedouin + <2  Southern-Levantinfo + <1 Sephardic Jewish + 3% Malta +  3%  Iberian Peninsula
23andME :  100% North Africa

WGS ( Y-DNA and mtDNA)
Y-DNA: E-A30032< A30480 ~1610 CE
mtDNA: V12
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(09-25-2024, 07:06 PM)JonikW Wrote:
(09-25-2024, 11:01 AM)Capsian20 Wrote: I have been seen in Haplotree mtDNA in FTDNA there 5 samples from USA but they are Native American
I know this mtDNA V its not local a America and is clearly is source Euroupean but is British or Germany?

Intriguing. I guess we can't say although knowing which area of the US they're from might give a small clue. I see V12 looks Danish and English on YFull.

It's seems to me this Subclade maybe it's related with tribes Germanic
Target: CapsianWGS_scaled
Distance: 1.2510% / 0.01251049
37.2 Iberomaurusian
36.8 Early_European_Farmer
12.8 Early_Levantine_Farmer
8.0 Steppe_Pastoralist
4.8 SSA
0.4 Iran_Neolithic
FTDNA : 91% North Africa +<2% Bedouin + <2  Southern-Levantinfo + <1 Sephardic Jewish + 3% Malta +  3%  Iberian Peninsula
23andME :  100% North Africa

WGS ( Y-DNA and mtDNA)
Y-DNA: E-A30032< A30480 ~1610 CE
mtDNA: V12
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(09-25-2024, 08:54 PM)Capsian20 Wrote:
(09-25-2024, 07:15 PM)JonikW Wrote: Comparing the two haplotrees really highlights how far behind FTDNA is with mtDNA and I hope the promised revamp comes soon.

https://www.familytreedna.com/public/mt-dna-haplotree/V

https://www.yfull.com/mtree/V/

Did FTDNA just give you a straight V like they did with me? I'm still very happy that YFull not only gave me V78 but then found samples from medical papers to join me there.

hello no FTDNA ots gave me Haplogroup V12

I remembered you'd recently tested and great that they've placed you, Capsian. I'd be interested to see your matches map. It looks like they only ever got to V28 and the rest of us are only assigned V.
Y: I1 Z140+ FT354410+; mtDNA: V78
Recent tree: mainly West Country England and Southeast Wales
Y line: Peak District, c.1300. Swedish IA/VA matches; last = 715AD YFull, 849AD FTDNA
mtDNA: Llanvihangel Pont-y-moile, 1825
Mother's Y: R-BY11922+; Llanvair Discoed, 1770
Avatar: Welsh Borders hillfort, 1980s
Anthrogenica member 2015-23
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#7
(09-25-2024, 09:00 PM)JonikW Wrote:
(09-25-2024, 08:54 PM)Capsian20 Wrote:
(09-25-2024, 07:15 PM)JonikW Wrote: Comparing the two haplotrees really highlights how far behind FTDNA is with mtDNA and I hope the promised revamp comes soon.

https://www.familytreedna.com/public/mt-dna-haplotree/V

https://www.yfull.com/mtree/V/

Did FTDNA just give you a straight V like they did with me? I'm still very happy that YFull not only gave me V78 but then found samples from medical papers to join me there.

hello no FTDNA ots gave me Haplogroup V12

I remembered you'd recently tested and great that they've placed you, Capsian. I'd be interested to see your matches map. It looks like they only ever got to V28 and the rest of us are only assigned V.

Yeah I did mtfull sequence in FTDNA 
I have 284 matches in HVR1 , and 0 in HVR1 , HVR2 and 0 HVR1, HVR2, Coding regions 
For 284 matches none V12 but I have 163 matches belong a Haplogroup V-C16298T they are tested FMS and others 121 matches are Haplogroup V ( they are tested only HVR1)
I will sent to you Picture Map tomorrow because I use now only phone
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(09-25-2024, 09:12 PM)Capsian20 Wrote:
(09-25-2024, 09:00 PM)JonikW Wrote:
(09-25-2024, 08:54 PM)Capsian20 Wrote: hello no FTDNA ots gave me Haplogroup V12

I remembered you'd recently tested and great that they've placed you, Capsian. I'd be interested to see your matches map. It looks like they only ever got to V28 and the rest of us are only assigned V.

Yeah I did mtfull sequence in FTDNA 
I have 284 matches in HVR1 , and 0 in HVR1 , HVR2 and 0 HVR1, HVR2, Coding regions 
For 284 matches none V12 but I have 163 matches belong a Haplogroup V-C16298T they are tested FMS and others 121 matches are Haplogroup V ( they are tested only HVR1)
I will sent to you Picture Map tomorrow because I use now only phone

Thanks and great you sent me your email address. I've replied by email and look forward to seeing the map.

I only use a phone here and if you ever want to post images on the site in future, you should be able to do it with this. It's what I use after a tip from our friend Rich, rms2 from Anthrogenica days:

https://postimages.org/
Y: I1 Z140+ FT354410+; mtDNA: V78
Recent tree: mainly West Country England and Southeast Wales
Y line: Peak District, c.1300. Swedish IA/VA matches; last = 715AD YFull, 849AD FTDNA
mtDNA: Llanvihangel Pont-y-moile, 1825
Mother's Y: R-BY11922+; Llanvair Discoed, 1770
Avatar: Welsh Borders hillfort, 1980s
Anthrogenica member 2015-23
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#9
(09-25-2024, 10:05 PM)JonikW Wrote:
(09-25-2024, 09:12 PM)Capsian20 Wrote:
(09-25-2024, 09:00 PM)JonikW Wrote: I remembered you'd recently tested and great that they've placed you, Capsian. I'd be interested to see your matches map. It looks like they only ever got to V28 and the rest of us are only assigned V.

Yeah I did mtfull sequence in FTDNA 
I have 284 matches in HVR1 , and 0 in HVR1 , HVR2 and 0 HVR1, HVR2, Coding regions 
For 284 matches none V12 but I have 163 matches belong a Haplogroup V-C16298T they are tested FMS and others 121 matches are Haplogroup V ( they are tested only HVR1)
I will sent to you Picture Map tomorrow because I use now only phone

Thanks and great you sent me your email address. I've replied by email and look forward to seeing the map.

I only use a phone here and if you ever want to post images on the site in future, you should be able to do it with this. It's what I use after a tip from our friend Rich, rms2 from Anthrogenica days:

https://postimages.org/

thanks you JonikW for shared this site 
Indeed i sent to you picture of my matches
Target: CapsianWGS_scaled
Distance: 1.2510% / 0.01251049
37.2 Iberomaurusian
36.8 Early_European_Farmer
12.8 Early_Levantine_Farmer
8.0 Steppe_Pastoralist
4.8 SSA
0.4 Iran_Neolithic
FTDNA : 91% North Africa +<2% Bedouin + <2  Southern-Levantinfo + <1 Sephardic Jewish + 3% Malta +  3%  Iberian Peninsula
23andME :  100% North Africa

WGS ( Y-DNA and mtDNA)
Y-DNA: E-A30032< A30480 ~1610 CE
mtDNA: V12
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