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Hi Guys,
I got an 83 score on the Viking Index, with a match to Norwegian vikings. Does this mean anything significant? Since most of my ancestry is Scottish, I figure this reflects the Viking settlement of Scotland....
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I was in Living DNA's first batch of testers when they started out, like what they aim to achieve here and am curious about their reference samples for this upgrade although I haven't yet gone for it.
I'd like to know a lot more before giving you any opinion, including the scale for the Viking scoring. But it's of course a reasonable bet that you'll have a level of Norwegian ancestry if you're of Scottish descent. They might well be right in what they've told you.
One potential factor would be the perennial difficulty of distinguishing "Viking" ancestry from Anglian ancestry, which might muddy the waters a bit. I'd be curious to know more if anyone has details about this upgrade. I might be tempted to pay for it myself one day for some fun and interest.
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From LivingDNA
"Closest group. We tell you which of the 4 Viking Population groups we've identified is most similar to your DNA. These Viking groups are Norwegian Vikings, Swedish and Danish Vikings, British and North Atlantic Vikings, and Eastern European Vikings."
It seems to me, that if you were Scottish, then the more appropriate Viking group would be British and North Atlantic, rather than Norwegian.
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I see a result of 87% Swedish and Danish, but I did not pay for this upgrade, so I wonder if this is a sample report or if it is really based on my DNA test.
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(09-13-2024, 04:54 AM)Mabrams Wrote: From LivingDNA
"Closest group. We tell you which of the 4 Viking Population groups we've identified is most similar to your DNA. These Viking groups are Norwegian Vikings, Swedish and Danish Vikings, British and North Atlantic Vikings, and Eastern European Vikings."
It seems to me, that if you were Scottish, then the more appropriate Viking group would be British and North Atlantic, rather than Norwegian.
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I see a result of 87% Swedish and Danish, but I did not pay for this upgrade, so I wonder if this is a sample report or if it is really based on my DNA test.
I will say, while I haven't taken LivingDNA's test, my 2nd great grandmother was the first born in the US of Norwegian immigrants from Rogaland and my tests fall between 7% and 10% Norwegian (and identify the specific area my family is from and 3rd cousins still live in) and Viking tests I've taken don't come up very high. I would agree it seems likely to be something other than Norwegian Vikings if you have no known Norwegian ancestry.
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Thanks guys. I also found it strange that my Viking 'type' was not British and Atlantic, but Norwegian. However after a bit of digging, I found that it was the Norwegian vikings who were the early raiders along the Scottish coasts, including Orkney/Shetland and the western isles.
My Y line is L513 (Z17817); and in fact L513 has been found in aDNA in Orkney and the western isles, and even in Viking graves. Z17817 has even been found in medieval Finnish remains, as part of a Viking burial. So I'm guessing maybe Z17817 was present in regions of Scotland where the vikings (Norwegian?) were first active, then it got mixed up with them. That might explain the high percentage?
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This paper may be of interest to clarify the extent of Norwegian Viking influence in Scotland.
https://www.pnas.org/cgi/doi/10.1073/pnas.1904761116